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Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by sabat » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:25 PM UTC

feralchimp wrote: post #116

Reps now bitching that Google's senior management is not in the room. FUCK YOU, SENATOR. Those people deliver more value per day than you will deliver in your entire career as a public servant. Oh god: "Why not hire some whiz kids?" What a goddamned fool. "We have the brainpower in this country [to design a machine to distinguish copyrighted works from non-copyrighted works]." Actually, no, we don't. Fair use is a th…

"We have the brainpower to take this on."

We do? As a non-technical senator, you can make that engineering claim with confidence?

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by jshort » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:26 PM UTC

jlind wrote: post #120

feralchimp wrote: post #116

Reps now bitching that Google's senior management is not in the room. FUCK YOU, SENATOR. Those people deliver more value per day than you will deliver in your entire career as a public servant. Oh god: "Why not hire some whiz kids?" What a goddamned fool. "We have the brainpower in this country [to design a machine to distinguish copyrighted works from non-copyrighted works]." Actually, no, we don't. Fair use is a th…

And then cutting off the answer when it's exactly what he doesn't want to hear. Certainly frustrating.

She clearly explained why it was not do-able, and then he goes on to saying that it is. Hire those "wiz kids" I'm sure they can do it!

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by noduerme » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:27 PM UTC

This is SO OFFENSIVE!!! She gives such great, clear technical answers -- they can detect child porn by a combination of reverse image search analysis and manual checks, but they can't visually tell whether a movie or song is licensed to play. Makes sense. "I'm sure we have the technology, we have the brainpower," responds some congrasshole. What fucking idiots these people are. They don't have a right to dictate terms to people smarter than them.

After watching this incredibly infuriating thing, I hope they pass it. I hope it passes, and the economy of the US tanks, and it eats itself. Fuck these people, and fuck everyone who voted for them.

If you're the only person in the room who has technical expertise, Submit your comments in writing.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by jshort » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:28 PM UTC

feralchimp wrote: post #116

Reps now bitching that Google's senior management is not in the room. FUCK YOU, SENATOR. Those people deliver more value per day than you will deliver in your entire career as a public servant. Oh god: "Why not hire some whiz kids?" What a goddamned fool. "We have the brainpower in this country [to design a machine to distinguish copyrighted works from non-copyrighted works]." Actually, no, we don't. Fair use is a th…

Now they have been called pansies.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by mongol » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:29 PM UTC

codyrobbins wrote: post #111

mmaunder wrote: post #92

10:45am mountain time: Ted Poe (R-TX): "This panel or this committee is made up of former prosecutors, defense lawyers and there are even two former judges here." Consider the conflict of interest that exists when lawyers are making our laws. In this case if this bill passes there will be more laws and legal complexity and consequently more work to go around for everyone on the panel and all their previous and curren…

You’re joking, right? Who would you propose is more qualified to draft the word of the actual laws than lawyers? What lawyers are at their essence are experts in law—the word ‘lawyer’ even has the word ‘law’ in it. It's like asking a team of developers to get together and vote on whether a problem is best solved by writing more code or doing nothing. Who would you ask whether code needs to be written, then? The lawye…

I don't think he is joking. "The word of the law" can be kept separate from the intent of the law. I would prefer to see them as copywriters rather than as policy makers.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by sabat » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:29 PM UTC

"It's time to try something." "It's time to move."

Not if it means breaking the Internet.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by msmith » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:29 PM UTC

12:19PM central time - The chairman, Rep. Smith, was asking whether this bill would impact our ability to implement DNSSEC. He seemed legitimately concerned that it could weaken security on the internet.

I have no idea whether there's any basis for concern, but I'm sure we have some DNSSEC experts here on HN. Comments?

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by sv123 » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:30 PM UTC

noduerme wrote: post #123

This is SO OFFENSIVE!!! She gives such great, clear technical answers -- they can detect child porn by a combination of reverse image search analysis and manual checks, but they can't visually tell whether a movie or song is licensed to play. Makes sense. "I'm sure we have the technology, we have the brainpower," responds some congrasshole. What fucking idiots these people are. They don't have a right to dictate term…

His response to her explanation about how they don't have the technology was "Google does have the technology". These people are all idiots.

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by j2labs » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:30 PM UTC

mmaunder wrote: post #92

10:45am mountain time: Ted Poe (R-TX): "This panel or this committee is made up of former prosecutors, defense lawyers and there are even two former judges here." Consider the conflict of interest that exists when lawyers are making our laws. In this case if this bill passes there will be more laws and legal complexity and consequently more work to go around for everyone on the panel and all their previous and curren…

This reminds me of Neil deGrasse Tyson's excellent rant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-gKXlaEExY

Re: SOPA Hearing is Streaming Live

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Post by sp332 » Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 6:30 PM UTC

feralchimp wrote: post #100

"We know right now that a young film-maker starting out today will not be able to have a career because of piracy." ORLY? We know that? Someone had better tell the market, which continues to fund (and see returns on) indie films.

This is really funny, since Justin Bieber claimed recently that his career would never have existed if this law had been applied to him. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/10/justin-biebe...