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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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I don't think @dang will pin the above comment, but this needs to be higher here as the reply includes that they received a legal order. This is maligning the company unjustly.

exactly. Only intent is to malign Razorpay, so OP also chose to create a throw away account. Razorpay didn't really have much choice in this.

The account I have used is more than a year old. I would be harassed by Hindutva goons online and offline if I use my real identity. Maybe also a false police case.

Also Razorpay is not innocent here. They could have disputed the demand in the court. Could have informed the users that their data was shared with government. Could have shared only the transactions that originated in a foreign country.They did none of these.

Also note that donations could not have been done with a foreign credit card. So the intent is to harass the individuals that supported the fack-checking website.

Also, note that the founder and the company has been fans of the current nationalistic government. More reasons why they did not dispute the police demand.

https://twitter.com/shashank_kr/status/1175974410202697728

https://imgur.com/a/ZDRZZ87

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Holy cow. Thanks for the context. > - Two people get murdered (one beheaded and the video streamed) for supporting Nupur Sharma on Social Media JFC, humans suck. Also interesting after looking into it is that ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism, yet takes extreme offense at someone mocking Islam and seems to consider it hate speech.

> ZooBear has tweet after tweet mocking Hinduism Absolutely false. Can you share one?

There were plenty. But I think they were deleted now.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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The sad part is people with enough social awareness still linking these publications (ones that push a certain political agenda, in this case- far-right) probably do not perceive this as the sole truth rather as a means to defend the injustice they too deem right being carried out. In other words, any justification possible for their views.

Yes, OpIndia pushes far-right agenda that doesn't change the fact stated in the article I linked that Md. Zubair has deleted his facebook page after people started reporting his post. BTW, what agenda Alt News promote? Regarding injustice, if you are alive atleast you can hope for justice. What justification you are going to provide for beheading of Hindus?

I really wish dang locks down this post right now. It's hard to have a logical discussion when certain parties involved in the discussion (like you, currently) sensationalize everything disproportionately.

There is no point in having a petty argument when your whole world view is warped and you don't recognize what's going on in your country. You seem to only be focused on one-quarter of the reality that favors your views. It might be due to willful ignorance, it might be due to bigotry, who knows. I'm not accusing you of any of those, just stating the possibilities.

Either way, it comes to down to savagery in discussions like these and just shows you don't intend to seek the truth rather intend to provoke others around you.

P.S This is not directed at just you. This is directed at others who practice similar ways of getting their point across as you.

Sorry about the rant, but it's annoying and sickening.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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What else happened?

they keep funding fraudsters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31431224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30899352

dont forget coinbase and how much Paul vouched for that awful grifter Brian Armstrong. some families out there are now fatherless because they lost money on the shitcoins promoted thru and offered on coinbase.

imagine enriching yourself by having poor ppl transfer over their life savings and causing suicides. this is what Paul & YC/crypto proponents are okay with since its not illegal.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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> The alleged fact-checker has been arrested because he has made similar objectional comments on various social media about Hindu deity. Completely false. Mohammad Zubair has been arrested for posting a screenshot from 1983 Indian film "Kisi Se Na Kehna" (Don't tell anybody). Yes, let me repeat. For posting a screenshot from a 40 years old Indian film. "Democracy" my foot! PS - I don't think that this should matter b…

Atleast tell to the judges who have denied him bail twice :)

Your secular credentials come from the fact that you will only criticize Nupur Sharma for her comments but will whitewash comments of other panelists or for that matter posts of Md. Zubair.

PS - I am an Indian, who just wants equal treatment for all regardless of Religion.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Hmm. Just a crazy idea. What if nobody went around beheading people for insulting their prophet, AND nobody went around arresting people for insulting their deity? And what if both the beheadings and the bogus arrests were punished by law? And what if nobody were allowed to get away with trying to use either one to justify the other?

I mean, I'm not sure a guy who's been dead for 1200 years AND supposedly has the favor of God needs any protecting, but I'm also not sure than any actual gods are in a lot of need of protecting.

Not that either arrest or beheading would be an appropriate response to an insult to an actually living and vulnerable person, either.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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It's important to note that the cops partake such actions on the directions from higher-ups.

The Nuremberg defence?

Except I would rather have the cops punished along with their higher-ups. It's common in India to punish a low-level cop and call it a day. All this while the real masterminds go on to create even more problems for the society.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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I'm not a lawyer, nor am I an Indian lawyer, but if Razorpay received a Section 91 order ( https://indiankanoon.org/doc/788840/ ) they wouldn't have much choice on turning over any records. It looks to be the rough equivalent of third party doctrine in the US (which is also horrible). It can come from "any Court or any officer in charge of a police station". Banks and fintech in many countries are even more exposed t…

Razorpay did receive a Section 91 order according to their tweet: https://twitter.com/Razorpay/status/1544313411621646338

Ok, I've edited the title above to include this detail. (Submitted title was "Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data without court order".)

This is less moderation than we would normally do. Under normal circumstances, we would not allow a submitter to use a text post to put their own tendentious spin on a story like this—especially when the account seems politically driven (e.g. bringing up past partisan tweets to bolster a political case, which is not in the intended spirit of HN). Most probably we'd change the post to point to the most neutral third-party article we could find—or, if someone had already posted one, we might merge this thread into it.

However, the first principle of HN moderation is that we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is involved (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...). So I'm suspending normal practice in favor of this relatively small intervention.

Edit: I suppose I should add that none of what I've written here has to do with the specific details of the story, which I haven't personally looked into. Commenters in this thread seem to be doing a reasonable job of discussing it, with the exception of some veerings into religious/political flamewar, which we've done the usual moderation with.

I suppose I should also add that we haven't downweighted the submission—its ranking is being determined by user voting and flagging. And we haven't pinned any comments, except the moderation replies in flamewar subthreads like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32000788 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32000252 (standard practice).

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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exactly. Only intent is to malign Razorpay, so OP also chose to create a throw away account. Razorpay didn't really have much choice in this.

The account I have used is more than a year old. I would be harassed by Hindutva goons online and offline if I use my real identity. Maybe also a false police case. Also Razorpay is not innocent here. They could have disputed the demand in the court. Could have informed the users that their data was shared with government. Could have shared only the transactions that originated in a foreign country.They did none of t…

> They could have disputed the demand in the court.

Why just that, they might as well fight the case for the accused.

> Could have shared only the transactions that originated in a foreign country.They did none of these.

We re sorry but it doesn't work like that. I am not sure if you understand that its not in hands of razor pay to bargain what they would like to share.

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