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Post by master-lincoln »

RektBoy wrote: post #180
Toutouxc wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

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The train will go independently of utilization so no matter how few seats are occupied, using a car instead will lead to more emissions (noise, particles from tires, exhaust gases incl. CO2). Why do you think taking a taxi to/from a train station makes the whole trip take more emissions than taking a car for the whole ride?

Which other factors would need to be counted in? I honestly can not imagine a scenario where using a car is better for the environment than using a train...

> Please don't push this EU green-madness.

Please make an argument that your position should not be considered madness.

I am myself not taking a train very often, but that is because it's often more expensive than using my car, less flexible and not as comfortable (mostly because I don't feel comfortable around strangers).

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by amin »

In Luxembourg, all public transport is free for everyone. I was just there, and as a tourist, it saved me a lot of hassle not needing to figure out where and how to buy which ticket. Jump hop on any train, bus or tram :).

And yes, I understand why this wouldn't work well in other countries.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by rob74 »

germanier wrote: post #193
rob74 wrote: post #191

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[citation needed] ... I'm not putting it above DB to do that, but that really sounds like more trouble than it's worth: endless hassle with passengers who think that the ticket is valid in all regional trains (which has been repeated endlessly in the media for the last month, and also on the page we are commenting on), need to adapt the route planner to exclude these trains (an option "only regional trains" is alread…

Just search for any Norddeich-Bremen connection in the affected three months on the DB route planner with "only local transport" ticked and you will see the label on every second train. Well, after clicking "Show more information" and carefully reading the grey on white text. Edit: I tried in English and the warning didn't show up... Hopefully this link works as an example: https://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo…

Ok, that's apparently a special case, that's an Intercity train (as can be seen from the "Operator: DB Fernverkehr AG" on the page above) that can usually also be used with regional tickets, but DB apparently decided that doesn't apply to the 9 € ticket. The trains are painted in DB's "long distance" livery, but I'm not sure how many passengers would interpret that as a clue that the 9 € ticket may not be valid...

Paywalled article in German: https://www.nwzonline.de/plus-wirtschaft/9-euro-ticket-gilt-...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by master-lincoln »

april_22 wrote: post #149
Scarblac wrote: post #133

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Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

Especially for traveling across Germany, this ticket isn't quite useful, however I feel like it is marketed as "free traveling across Germany for a month" which isn't really the case. Am wondering how everything will play out next couple of months.

> "free traveling across Germany for a month"

It's 3 months

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by april_22 »

kuschku wrote: post #216
jstummbillig wrote: post #179

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> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

Actually, the Hamburg-Berlin IRE should be covered by this ticket as well, which requires no changes at all.

There is a RE from Hamburg to Berlin?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by pflenker »

Traveling through Germany with regional trains was one of my favorite pastimes back in the 90s, but the prices have increased dramatically: The "Wochenendticket, which was valid either on Saturday or Sunday, started in 1995 costing around 11 EUR (inflation-adjusted), and ended costing 40 EUR in 2016 (also inflation-adjusted).

I am happy that they are experimenting with bringing it back.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by macleginn »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

One does not need a car to enjoy this. I live in a suburb of a big city and have to cross two zones to get to work. However, the yearly pass does not make sense for me because I cycle to the office half of the time and work from home on some days, so I'm quite happy that for three months my monthly commute will cost the same as a single round-trip ticket.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by VGltZUNvbnN1 »

FabHK wrote: post #206
Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

> - Less/no expensive accounting Not quite. Many people (eg commuters) have monthly train passes, almost all students have a "Semesterticket" (university enrolment is about 350 EUR every half year, but that includes all public transport in the region). Now, the 9-Euro-Ticket is cheaper than those options, so out of fairness the holders of all those tickets are getting a refund of 3 months worth of their pass minus 3x…

I am going to need a citation for the substantial burden everything I read is that they are annoyed but its easy to do.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by FabHK »

_0ffh wrote: post #36

I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

Private long distance bus operators are complaining, indeed. They were looking forward to this summer to finally make some revenue after two years of reduced demand due to the pandemic, and then this measure torpedoes their business.

See for example this [in German]

https://www.busnetz.de/9-euro-ticket-bdo-warnt-vor-negativen...

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