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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by rob74 »

germanier wrote: post #147
MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good A few days ago Deutsche Bahn has started to label some trains with an RE number (e.g. running Norddeich-Bremen or Stuttgart-Singen) with "9-Euro-ticket not valid".

[citation needed]... I'm not putting it above DB to do that, but that really sounds like more trouble than it's worth: endless hassle with passengers who think that the ticket is valid in all regional trains (which has been repeated endlessly in the media for the last month, and also on the page we are commenting on), need to adapt the route planner to exclude these trains (an option "only regional trains" is already available) etc. etc.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Shacklz »

kilotaras wrote: post #90
Havoc wrote: post #43

Wild - that gets me barely a days worth of tube travel in london (6.5 EUR a day)

Yeah, UKs train tickets are ridiculous if you compare it to rest of Europe. And that's not even case of UK just being generally more expensive, e.g. cheapest StAlbans - London (~25 km) yearly pass costs around £4k. About a 1000 pounds more than Switzerland GA travelcard which covers basically any form of public transport in Switzerland.

As a Swiss GA holder - UK public transport is all privately owned, right?

The joys of free market efficiency in "public" transportation - maximum efficiency for the owners/shareholders, minimum efficiency for the people.

The Swiss SBB is also again and again under assault to be fully privatized, luckily so far this hasn't happened yet, and I hope it never will...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#193

Post by germanier »

rob74 wrote: post #191
germanier wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good A few days ago Deutsche Bahn has started to label some trains with an RE number (e.g. running Norddeich-Bremen or Stuttgart-Singen) with "9-Euro-ticket not valid".

[citation needed] ... I'm not putting it above DB to do that, but that really sounds like more trouble than it's worth: endless hassle with passengers who think that the ticket is valid in all regional trains (which has been repeated endlessly in the media for the last month, and also on the page we are commenting on), need to adapt the route planner to exclude these trains (an option "only regional trains" is alread…

Just search for any Norddeich-Bremen connection in the affected three months on the DB route planner with "only local transport" ticked and you will see the label on every second train. Well, after clicking "Show more information" and carefully reading the grey on white text.

Edit: I tried in English and the warning didn't show up... Hopefully this link works as an example: https://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/traininfo.exe/en/45678/209...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#194

Post by pwdisswordfish0 »

Archelaos wrote: post #134
Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying i…

>I expect that if the ticket is a success, it will be replaced by real free rides in the future.

What’s your confidence level here? Because if you can make me believe that the ticket is effectively a vote for ticketless/free ÖPNV I will buy them for everyone I know.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#195

Post by _ph_ »

dmurray wrote: post #60
_Microft wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tickets aren't personalized (some regular monthly passes for public transport are/were though), so you should be fine. Since they aren't personalized and there is no way to check who the owner actually is, I would even expect them to be transferable. Edit: looks like I was wrong -> see replies. You can also search for "9-Euro-Ticket übertragbar" (übertragbar = transferable) yourself to get a number of different G…

Normally DB day tickets, even bought at the ticket machine, are not transferable. You have to write your name on the back - in theory, before the first time you encounter a ticket controller - and be prepared to produce ID matching the name.

Honestly, this is the first time I ever hear of this, and I almost go back to steam engine trains :p

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

Toutouxc wrote: post #170
Scarblac wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our Dutch Scouts of age 15-17 also plan their own camps and do so on a shoestring budget, and it turns out that yes you can get from the Netherlands to the Czech Republic with all your camping gear using only like fifteen different German regional trains :-)

Related: We're a Czech couple, currently planning our vacation in the Netherlands, and we too are on a very tight budget. I wanted so bad to get there by train and spend the week there riding Dutch trains all over the place, but man, the train journey there and back is just as long as a car trip (~10-12 hours) and costs at least twice as much. Looks like we'll be taking our 50 MPG car instead and since it will be the…

Have you considered long distance buses from something like Flixbus? I live in Rotterdam and see them coming into the central station from all over Europe.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by dabc015f »

chrisseaton wrote: post #109
Freak_NL wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. They accept Maestro debit cards though, which almost everyone has, and cash.

> Credit cards aren't regular in Europe. Pretty sure it's just Germany being pig-headed about it for some reason. Everywhere else in Europe is perfectly happy to accept a credit card. I do 99.999% of all my spending on a credit card, like most millennial people or younger, and the only people in the developed world who this is a problem for is the Germans.

> Pretty sure

Why not at least google some statistics before you lose yourself in some pig-headed chauvinistic rant about what in the most charitable interpretation amounts to nothing at all.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by hibbelig »

mbg721 wrote: post #92
butterlesstoast wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the Americans. Converting from euros to USD and liters to gallons, gas is roughly $12 a gallon at this moment.

Out of curiosity, for people who live in small towns/villages in Germany, how much driving is expected on a typical day? Most Americans commute about half an hour, twice a day, right?

I live in a small city and work in a nearby larger city.° The distance is 45km and it takes me about 45mins to drive the car, door to door.

Public transport is pretty good on this connection, but overall it takes me 75-90 mins, because I need to change twice and there are wait times.

° Well, I'm working from home now...

I used to live in a different, larger, city, and worked on the opposite side of the same city. Distance 13km. Driving commute 30 mins (middle of the night) to 45 mins (rush hour) each way. Public transport 90 mins...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by foepys »

Hendrikto wrote: post #105
april_22 wrote: post #86

The German government did that to compensate for rising gasoline prices. While I think that is in general appreciated by the public, I am not quite sure how many people aged 45 above will use this ticket. They trains will be super crowded this summer and people will just prefer to use their car instead.

Also it is completely useless for people living on the countryside. The nearest train station is a 20 minute drive away from where I live, so this does nothing for me. Still better than nothing, I guess.

Over 75% of Germans live in cities or towns which overwhelmingly have reliable bus transit at least at daytime.

Those remaining <25% are not really important here and can still use their cars.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

#200

Post by _Microft »

germanier wrote: post #147
MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good A few days ago Deutsche Bahn has started to label some trains with an RE number (e.g. running Norddeich-Bremen or Stuttgart-Singen) with "9-Euro-ticket not valid".

There are Norddeich-Bremen connections with a remark that the 9-Euro-Ticket is not valid but these connections include a section/leg with an Intercity train (IC). The ticket is not valid for Intercity trains in general.

There are other connections between these two places without having to go on an Intercity and these do not show the message.

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