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It doesn't matter if the decision was intentional or coincidence, the fact remains the most popular TV cartoon in history has trained our expectations.

race-neutral smiley faces and LEGO minifigs predate The Simpsons—you're just taking your personal experience and projecting it onto everyone else.

Sure, but Lego didn't have brown and black for POC. The training of expectations isn't exclusive, and more people consumed The Simpsons than Legos.

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Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it. It's largely a generational thing. The new generations (Millennial, Z) were taught that "celebrate diversity" is the goal. Which means to highlight all the different races, creeds, colors, etc... Previous generations (X, Boomers) were taught that being "color blind" was the ideal. Which means to treat every person the same, and disregard th…

Motivation doesn't matter when the impact is different, even if motivation is the same.

Being blind to race means being blind to acts of racism. It discredits the reality of those who experience race- or gender-based discrimination because the systemic blindness won't acknowledge the differences even exist.

Prejudice still happens even if the aggressors have good motivations or think they're "good" people.

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I thought that was pretty hilarious.

OK, but is that the kind of character you think people should look up to and be inspired by? He’s not a professional comedian; he’s a billionaire businessman with a tremendous amount of power to inspire people to do things. Do we want people to be inspired to do great things or terrible things? With great power comes great responsibility.

He is far more inspiring than the rest of business leaders.

I find him genuine, funny, atypical and giving a hard time to people that want him to conform.

Progressives hate him. I’ve never seen any logic behind it. It is just that Elon doesn’t share their vision of scarcity driven, alarmist, stagnant, crime ridden, woke, depopulating, unionized and equal-outcomes based society.

The entire progressive platform has been hijacked, not the Obama era left-wing. Obama was pro-Elon Musk and privatization of Space industry.

IMO there are no leaders that inspire more than Elon and late Steve Jobs.

So here… I laid out the entire problem in plain words why people hate Elon. 100% political.

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OK, but is that the kind of character you think people should look up to and be inspired by? He’s not a professional comedian; he’s a billionaire businessman with a tremendous amount of power to inspire people to do things. Do we want people to be inspired to do great things or terrible things? With great power comes great responsibility.

He is far more inspiring than the rest of business leaders. I find him genuine, funny, atypical and giving a hard time to people that want him to conform. Progressives hate him. I’ve never seen any logic behind it. It is just that Elon doesn’t share their vision of scarcity driven, alarmist, stagnant, crime ridden, woke, depopulating, unionized and equal-outcomes based society. The entire progressive platform has bee…

You didn't really answer my question at all - you just went off on some side commentary about why you think people dislike him.

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He is far more inspiring than the rest of business leaders. I find him genuine, funny, atypical and giving a hard time to people that want him to conform. Progressives hate him. I’ve never seen any logic behind it. It is just that Elon doesn’t share their vision of scarcity driven, alarmist, stagnant, crime ridden, woke, depopulating, unionized and equal-outcomes based society. The entire progressive platform has bee…

You didn't really answer my question at all - you just went off on some side commentary about why you think people dislike him.

How so? I addressed exactly the points you raised.

Provided you with reasons why I find him inspiring and others don’t.

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You didn't really answer my question at all - you just went off on some side commentary about why you think people dislike him.

How so? I addressed exactly the points you raised. Provided you with reasons why I find him inspiring and others don’t.

Those aren’t the points I raised at all. I was curious to know how you believe a person with tremendous wealth and power should comport him/herself, and whether Elon Musk's behavior is consistent with that.

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Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

It’s interesting that the previous “neutral” yellow emojis are widely viewed as white: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2105.05887.pdf My explanation is that The Simpsons trained us to view yellow cartoon characters as white.

Considering that the Indian immigrant proprietor of the convenience store in the show is actually brown, I'm confident that the vast majority of people considered the yellow-colored Simpsons to be a white family.

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#228
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"There's a popular and cynical meme" is another way of phrasing, "There are people who evaluate these people's contributions differently than I do" > It's laughably false and easily disproved. Then disprove it, instead of relying on an ad hominem assumption of what's going on inside someone else's brain. As it stands all you've done is claim that a criticism exists and that the people who state that criticism have mo…

> "There are people who evaluate these people's contributions differently than I do" That would presume we're talking about people with approximately equivalent knowledge that simply come to different, but reasonable, conclusions. But this is not the case. What I see in this meme is people betraying their ignorance and motivated reasoning at every turn. There's nothing knowledgeable or reasonable about their assertio…

So you don't have proof, just more ad hominem and appeals to authority.

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So far it's been a lot of "look how smart we are: we make things easy!" It brings me to a pretty forlorn place, that there is such high & mighty technology, but delivered in such preconcieved, packaged products. Technological goods have become much better distributed, but the art of technology keeps evaporating upwards. Subliming up into the cloud. Part of the allure of the personal computing era (RIP) was that it in…

The same thing happened with cars. A half century who, anyone with a bit of an interest used to be able to understand pretty much everything going on under the hood of a car of the era. Today no one person fully understands the symphony between all the mechanical, hardware, and suffocate systems in a given brand new vehicle. As technology matures, the underlying systems that drive it increase in complexity, but the u…

It's more exotic but there's plenty of very very fancy aftermarket engine & fuel control systems, options for the geeks to get in & remap things ro their hearts content.

Do most gearheads go there? No. Is it available for all vehicles? Absolutely not. But there's an enthusiast community & a serving of it where it is absolutely recognized as a pinnacle of belief that keeping humans in the loop, giving them options & control, is the only acceptable path, that falling from grace is not an option.

Generally I dont think you are entirely wrong per se, but the degree to which modern computong technology has precluded, prevented human engagement is unbelievable. To chase your analogies again, almost no one will be compelled to go understand their mechanical pocketwatch. But they could. A decent repairman could fix it. In contrast, the technology we entreat with is 100% alien, a far off remote force we cannot observe, cannot learn about, ensconsed in behind impreginible firewalls: we cannot ever begin to understand the vast realms of computing we are innundated with, we have no stance at all, are regarded as nothing.

This is against the human spirit, this is the ultimate infernal device, and we should smash it to pieces, resist, with everytbing we have, with every joule in our souls.

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The default was yellow which basically represents white people.

this is the most insane recurring argument and I'll never understand it. sure that's how The Simpsons works, but that's not how LEGO works, so that argument gets canceled out. then you look at the yellow smiley face iconography that I'm sure has cultural roots somewhere but was universally used to specifically express universality—back when WAL*MART used it as their logo, were they specifically trying to market to wh…

> that's not how LEGO works

It is how Lego originated. See discussion at [0]. Early on they had a limited palette and would use yellow for caucasians and asians and at times used black for POC and red for native americans. The time where everything was yellow is also quite limited - and there was pushback from non-cacuasians until they were forced to include skin colours in NBA sets.

[0] https://www.quora.com/Why-do-LEGO-minifigures-have-yellow-he...

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