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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by xvector » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #191

xvector wrote: post #182

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> You are arguing in bad faith, just like the OP. Can we keep discussion civil? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - "Assume good faith." > There are several important differences, Historically. But if the historical context of slavery did not exist, it would still be just as unacceptable to treat Black individuals differently. In essence, historical context is largely irrelevant to whether an action is…

I believe I am being civil. I also think bad faith can be demonstrated, and that it has been. >As such, treating Black individuals differently is not more or less wrong than treating short individuals differently. Again, as I have mentioned repeatedly, we agree on this point. Where we disagree is in the assertion that there is "no difference" in effect, precisely because of the historical context.

Historical context does not influence whether an action is right or wrong in itself. You should not need atrocities to be recorded in history to tell you if you are doing the right thing.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #218

Darmody wrote: post #207

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Plenty of women don't care about that. Just stop using apps like Tinder, they attract the worst of the worst, by what I see, especially in the US. Even if you were above 6', you wouldn't want to date a woman obsessed with height. In my group of friends, the shorter ones (around 1,73m) are the most successful ones.

1,73m is oddly specific.

It's five foot nine in metric.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by LAC-Tech » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:06 PM UTC

aortega wrote: post #126

chrischen wrote: post #116

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Lucky for short people, height is a lot less of a factor in modern society. Wealth is a much bigger factor. And what's the best path to wealth? Software . Even more lucky for them, software and internet doesn't care about height.

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I am sure there are some women for which that's true, but do you really think it's that strong of a universal?

IDK, whenever men write stuff like that I always think to myself "you need to hang around better people". Like you can absolutely 100% find women that cold and calculating and dishonest. But acting like all women are that impulsive is really strange to me. That's like saying all men will beat you up and rob you because it makes sense in evolutionary terms.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by galoisscobi » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:06 PM UTC

thangalin wrote: post #158

For folks in this thread making statements such as, "I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive," the negative social stigmas towards men of short stature go far beyond physical attraction. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with women finding taller men attractive.) https://twitter.com/heightismxposed Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations from those twits that have nothing to do…

I was bullied a lot for being short in high school and at home I was pressured to hang on the pull up bar "to get taller". I hope we stop doing this to people.

My experiences in high school deeply affected my mental health.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by lupire » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:07 PM UTC

aortega wrote: post #156

chrischen wrote: post #137

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I think the stats you are referencing about humans getting taller are from improvements in childhood nutrition. I don't think genetically we've been selecting for taller people, as that is harder to conclude (plus, even if woman select for taller men, men do not necessarily select for taller woman, and woman are part of this too let's not forget). > Women usually marry the millionaire, but have sex with the pool boy.…

>Pretty sure the woman usually doesn't have the pool boy's children You'd be surprised.

Pool boys barely even exist in real life.

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Post by Rebelgecko » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:07 PM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #179

throwaway515 wrote: post #168

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> Basically this means that in modern dating, if you are short, you are very likely to die alone and this trend will only get worse in the future. I'm 5'6, and after almost 15 years of dating sites to modern dating apps, I have indeed accepted that yes, I will very likely die alone. My therapist has even half-seriously suggested I try lying about my height, and qualms aside, from the studies I've read, any plausible-…

Lying about your height is actually an acceptable thing to do if it is to get over people's prejudices. In all honesty a good chunk of the people you encountered probably wrote you off prematurely anyways. But online dating and Tinder isn't great when you're trying to look past superficial qualities (your face, your height, your basic physical characteristics) so it's setting you up for failure, not to mention the wa…

Thought experiment: Can you apply the same process to other characteristics? For example, is it ok to lie about your race to improve your chances with racists? Even if that works, should you?

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Post by reducesuffering » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

SnowHill9902 wrote: post #186

jdkee wrote: post #178

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Via Rob Henderson's newsletter: Muscularity is the strongest predictor of mating success for men. A study on males aged 18 to 59 found that muscularity is significantly positively associated with the number of total sexual partners and partners in the last year. Handgrip strength is correlated with self-assessed happiness, health, social confidence, overall physical attractiveness, and overall number of sexual partne…

So sexual attractiveness as assessed by women is the best predictor of sexual success with women? Who would’ve thought?

No. They said “How tough a guy looked to men was a much stronger predictor of mating success than how attractive he looked to women.”

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by yuuu » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #209

daenz wrote: post #175

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There is no difference in the comparison because they're both based on immutable physical characteristics. There's a difference in the historical context, which you highlight.

This does not follow. There is a difference in historical context, which has a bearing on the real-world effects of height-vs-race discrimination, ergo there are differences between the two. In exactly the same way: Abraham Lincoln and Pol Pot are both heads of state, but it is incorrect to say there are no differences between them.

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Post by tonguez » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #189

thangalin wrote: post #158

For folks in this thread making statements such as, "I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive," the negative social stigmas towards men of short stature go far beyond physical attraction. (There's absolutely nothing wrong with women finding taller men attractive.) https://twitter.com/heightismxposed Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations from those twits that have nothing to do…

Even people I respect use 'short' as some kind of slur against people they don't like. For example against Putin. (Doesn't matter what you think of Putin - slurs based on personal appearance are always wrong against anyone full stop.)

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Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

kodah wrote: post #203

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #145

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I'm 5'5" and 120 lbs and that hasn't been my experience. My past promiscuity is the butt of jokes far more often than my stature.

Personally, the short men I know still get play. Women have a wide variety of tastes, as do men; and the taste really just needs to be tried once to get a probability for it to stick. That said, women being callous and cruel in groups about height, fitness, etc is more congruent to locker room talk. You probably won't hear it because it's behind your back and usually not by people you know. I say that as having been…

Yeah. My point about promiscuity is that it hasn't hindered my dating ability. I agree with the locker room talk but I disagree that it's a problem. And it's not just women. If anything I've had my stature shit talked more often by other men.