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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by gus_massa »

cdtwigg wrote: post #74
fastaguy88 wrote: post #21

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No. If it could be eliminated from humans, it would be gone. Like smallpox.

The oral polio vaccine is a live vaccine and occasionally reverts to an actually infectious strain. This isn’t a major concern in countries where people are widely vaccinated but would be an issue if we considered it eliminated and stopped vaccinating segments of the population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

After some years without cases and if the country has a high vaccination rate, then the recommendation is to switch to use only the injectable vaccine. More details in the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule

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Post by gus_massa »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #199
ggm wrote: post #67

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This is a really dangerous comment. Thankfully polio is an extremely treatable disease -What exactly do you think is the treatment, beyond prophylaxis? That the rate of vaccine caused infection is now higher than the rate of wild infection is no reason to stop vaccinating. It's really sad but this is why we have indemnity processes. Eradication depends on continual vaccination, well beyond any kind of epidemic. Even…

There’s nothing dangerous about my comment and in fact it represents the status quo for fighting polio worldwide: 1. Vaccines are the best defense against poliovirus. 2. The vaccines sometimes but rarely give people polio (more often than the wild virus in fact). 3. Polio is a very treatable disease, so contracting polio either from the vaccine or the live virus represents low risk. I’m literally just stating the wor…

After some years without cases and if the country has a high vaccination rate, the recommendation is to switch to use only the injectable vaccine that uses inactivated virus (informally "dead"), so it can not revert and cause cases later. More details in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Schedule

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Post by wolverine876 »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #78
lmilcin wrote: post #59

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> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it). So you co…

>Today truly educated and wise people have no access to public because the signal to noise ratio is too low for most people to be able to pick up. Not just that, but simple inflammatory talking points are easier for people to understand and get upset about, then get behind.

Read a detailed account of historical events - the propaganda and inflammatory rhetoric was far worse in many ways. Look at the Spanish-American War, for example.

Disinformation and misinformation may be orders of magnitude worse now, but there was no golden age.

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Post by tsimionescu »

Izkata wrote: post #200
fragmede wrote: post #183

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To put that in perspective, to date, Covid-19 has killed 957k Americans. This works out to be 0.3 percent if everyone had it (which they didn't).

This number is lower than that due to the "with vs from" distinction. The data is really messy though so we can't be sure how much lower.

This "with vs from" distinction is almost entirely meaningless. Unless the person had Covid19 and got shot or drowned in the sea, Covid19 is part of what killed them. When you have multiple diseases, they all contribute to your death.

Otherwise, if we only try to look for the disease that directly caused your final moment, we get absurd conclusions - such as, "no one has ever died of AIDS", since AIDS only destroys your immune system, it doesn't kill you.

Not to mention, Covid19 is not only a pulmonary disease, it is a blood disease, and as such it has hard to measure and predict effects everywhere in your body.

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Post by tsimionescu »

master-lincoln wrote: post #169
waffleiron wrote: post #134

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Thats the same for any infant diet, doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Second, breastfeeding is vegan too (if the mother consents ;) ).

How is milk from a breast of a human vegan? Is there a definition of veganism that says an animal product that was given with consent is considered vegan?

I think it's easy to argue that, specifically, milk from the breast of your mother, as an infant, is not in conflict with any possible interpretation of veganism. It's of course not plant-based, but it is a very special case, as essentially as an infant you are not entirely a separate entity from your mother, even after birth.

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Post by puffoflogic »

gregwebs wrote: post #46
jqquah wrote: post #19

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Is this where mRNA vaccines can be useful?

The COVID vaccines suffer from a similar issue. By design they are non-sterilizing because they don't develop immunity in the nasal mucous. It's always been the case that with a large enough exposure the COVID vaccinated would still get infected in the nose and transmit the virus to others.

This is disinformation. If you get the vaccine you won't get COVID. It's that simple.

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Post by godmode2019 »

not1ofU wrote: post #208
godmode2019 wrote: post #207

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Why would someone who thinks they might have holy blood end their life. If anything my story gives them conviction, the only person who would be upset is a religious vaccinated person, better repent now dear reader.

Whatever makes you feel better. The main point is, no-one threats their friends like this. Your original comment didn't state that your friends believed that they had holy blood, but if they did, do you think its a good idea to have fun with their beliefs for your own amusement (and some stangers on the internet for imaginary internet points)? If world war 3 breaks out, you're probably gonna need some friends. If the…

What upsets you so much about the story, can I ask.

Is their a certain section that sounds out to you?

In my country its very common to tell yarns or tall tails, to try make them believable as possible, trying to make sense of a hard situation.

They say what if X

I say what if Y

They say no that wouldn't happen because of Z

I say factoring in Z how about YY

Its not like anyone actually believes the story, but the goal is to make it believable - almost possible. Something that you consider in the back of your mind.

For example, their was a news report of a military airplane doing circles north of my city leaving contrails.

I said well what if they are testing the release of a airborne bacteria like they did in San Francisco.

My friend said that would only be possible if the wind direction was blowing south

We checked the wind, it was blowing south.

Now we have a story, with just enough credible information to make a highly unlikely situation possible.

That is what a movie is, a story where you suspended disbelief just enough to be entertained. We are doing that but verbally, its a exchange and it is actually quite fun to see what outrageous stories you have spin to be half believable.

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

ggm wrote: post #215
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #199

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There’s nothing dangerous about my comment and in fact it represents the status quo for fighting polio worldwide: 1. Vaccines are the best defense against poliovirus. 2. The vaccines sometimes but rarely give people polio (more often than the wild virus in fact). 3. Polio is a very treatable disease, so contracting polio either from the vaccine or the live virus represents low risk. I’m literally just stating the wor…

https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/polio-poliomyelitis Polio has no treatment, but good physiotherapy may help with recovery. The small number of people who get paralysis need to go to hospital and may need intensive care. Some people will need long-term treatment for limb paralysis.

Wow I was so wrong! The treatment is basically ibuprofen and bed rest. Sad we've been unable to eradicate it yet!

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Post by rexpop »

wolverine876 wrote: post #102
rexpop wrote: post #42

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> Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. — Ad Hominem, 1852

Look how much the world has changed since then!

I think it is fair to say that some aspects of the human condition will never, by definition, change.

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Post by wolverine876 »

rexpop wrote: post #229
wolverine876 wrote: post #102

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Look how much the world has changed since then!

I think it is fair to say that some aspects of the human condition will never, by definition, change.

That doesn't really assert anything. Many aspects will change dramatically, and often they are aspects that nobody previously imagined possible. The people who believe in change and possibility are the ones who do good things. The question is, what can we change and how much?

When people don't want change, they pull out that parent argument and apply it, through some general claim, and not actually address the issue at hand.

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