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Post by harry8 »

chris_wot wrote: post #205
anm89 wrote: post #180

This is the part where every one piles in posting suicide hotline numbers. I would argue most of those people do not have any experience with, or understanding of those hotlines and it's just a trite thing to throw out to show support like "fuck cancer". You should seriously understand what you are signing yourself up for if you call one of those numbers on yourself or someone else. For one you are volunteering that…

This is precisely what they do. Fun fact: whilst Lifeline in Australia says that they will treat all calls as anonymous, they in fact do not. If you speak about killing yourself to a counsellor, then they will call the police and trace your number, despite whether or not you turned off caller ID. Don't trust phone counselling services. Ever.

I did not know that. I would like a reference for that info if you have one?

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Post by LogonType10 »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #196
Invictus0 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps the most suicidal people are more likely to be committed? Causation seems very hard to show here.

If incidence of suicidal ideation goes up with number of involuntary holds then it means that psych facilities are not treating the problem. That is enough: that they are provably not treating it. First do no harm means you have to be causing good; ambivalence is treated as likely harm because it is invasive.

Can people more or less easily kill themselves while in psych wards?

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Post by q-big »

chris_wot wrote: post #205
anm89 wrote: post #180

This is the part where every one piles in posting suicide hotline numbers. I would argue most of those people do not have any experience with, or understanding of those hotlines and it's just a trite thing to throw out to show support like "fuck cancer". You should seriously understand what you are signing yourself up for if you call one of those numbers on yourself or someone else. For one you are volunteering that…

This is precisely what they do. Fun fact: whilst Lifeline in Australia says that they will treat all calls as anonymous, they in fact do not. If you speak about killing yourself to a counsellor, then they will call the police and trace your number, despite whether or not you turned off caller ID. Don't trust phone counselling services. Ever.

Eaxctly.

Consider this: if the providers of these suicide hotline numbers actually cared about this stuff, they would provide an as pseudonymous as possible way to contact them that makes it as impossible as possible (in a mathematical/cryptographical sense) to identify the caller (think about Tor).

Additionally, the hotline operators would advocate very strongly for a right to encrypt and right of privacy.

But this is not the case, which should convince any rationally-thinking person that all of these claims of anonymity are fraud.

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Post by Igelau »

aerovistae wrote: post #35

Not a comment on the story itself, but rather on the postscript which follows it: > If you are struggling to cope or have been affected by anything in this story, please contact the Samaritans in the UK at 116 123 or jo@samaritans.org. In the US, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is 1-800-273-8255. More information at mind.org.uk, samaritans.org and save.org Years ago, unhappy but not suicidal, I decided to ca…

It's not a hotline for free therapy, and they only have the script/training for one circumstance. You don't blame your hammer if it doesn't saw very well.

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Post by cinquemb »

akerl_ wrote: post #195
xwdv wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being dead is still a better choice than being trapped in that system and carrying the stigma your whole life IMO. It becomes a permanent problem that you cannot escape.

It seems pretty tautologically impossible for being “trapped in that system” to be a more permanent problem than death.

Seems like a matter of perspective or belief, no? For the observer of death it seems permanent; whereas a corpse lacks the same ability to perceive their own death the same way as the observer after it happened (i.e. a few moments, modulo anyone's beliefs surrounding after-life) if going by measuring brain activity via something like EEG and blood flow through the body.

Where as "trapped in that system" could be as long as a few decades before one eventually dies.

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Post by kreeben »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #76

As someone that was on medication that made me think about comitting suicide regularly, and I've learned to cope and overcome it somewhat...I thought I could read this...but this was like stepping into another reality where I was gone and this was about me. :S :S. and now I'm sitting at my desk bawling my eyes out...just wanting to hold my son and never let him go.

I watched the movie Real Steel starring Hugh Jackman and started to cry at the end. That's when I realized I was depressed, in a real low place. Because that movie is... not good and shouldn't have touched me in any way.

That's also when I found out that crying to shitty movies is so liberating and cathartic and good for me. Crying is good for you. It only takes a minute. Afterwards, I always felt more alive than I did before.

Just as the sibling post did, I hope this message is not out of line and that it reaches you in a good way.

There is no reason what so ever to think that tomorrow will be just like today. Here's to hoping that you also see that.

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Post by owisd »

babyshake wrote: post #220
anm89 wrote: post #180

This is the part where every one piles in posting suicide hotline numbers. I would argue most of those people do not have any experience with, or understanding of those hotlines and it's just a trite thing to throw out to show support like "fuck cancer". You should seriously understand what you are signing yourself up for if you call one of those numbers on yourself or someone else. For one you are volunteering that…

Genuinely curious about this - if you call one of these numbers and say you are thinking of self harm but you are not actually going to hurt yourself and you do not want them to call whomever to your home are they likely to do it anyways?

Can’t speak for all of those numbers, but Samaritans won’t tell anyone or even try to talk you out of it if you don’t want them to.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

gerardvivancos wrote: post #190
rubyist5eva wrote: post #76

As someone that was on medication that made me think about comitting suicide regularly, and I've learned to cope and overcome it somewhat...I thought I could read this...but this was like stepping into another reality where I was gone and this was about me. :S :S. and now I'm sitting at my desk bawling my eyes out...just wanting to hold my son and never let him go.

I'm really unsure whether or not to send this message. I just hope it’s useful. Just wanted to say I’m glad you’re there, for him and for yourself. I’m glad you’ve got something to latch onto. Keep being there, sometimes it’s hard but it always pays off in the long run. Again, hope it helps

Thank you kind stranger

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Post by Igelau »

rksprst wrote: post #88
SapporoChris wrote: post #3

I have a black thought on this. I would be happy if someone corrected me. When something breaks, sometimes we repair it, sometimes we throw it out. The more valuable the item, the more we will spend to fix it. However even with the most valuable items, we sometimes reluctantly decide that it is broken beyond repair. Are people like this? Are some simply too broken to fix? I feel awful thinking this, but I wonder if t…

I don't think your example works - when a valuable item is broken beyond repair that is a fact (based on known physics / science). If I snap a ruler into two pieces I know there is no way to bring it back to the state it was originally in - a single piece. We can glue it back and use other mechanisms but it won't be exactly the same - we know this definitively. The same cannot be said about mental illness. We do not…

> We can glue it back and use other mechanisms but it won't be exactly the same

It will be harder to snap next time since wood glue bonds are usually stronger than the wood itself.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

kreeben wrote: post #226
rubyist5eva wrote: post #76

As someone that was on medication that made me think about comitting suicide regularly, and I've learned to cope and overcome it somewhat...I thought I could read this...but this was like stepping into another reality where I was gone and this was about me. :S :S. and now I'm sitting at my desk bawling my eyes out...just wanting to hold my son and never let him go.

I watched the movie Real Steel starring Hugh Jackman and started to cry at the end. That's when I realized I was depressed, in a real low place. Because that movie is... not good and shouldn't have touched me in any way. That's also when I found out that crying to shitty movies is so liberating and cathartic and good for me. Crying is good for you. It only takes a minute. Afterwards, I always felt more alive than I d…

Thank you, and I like the idea of watching a dumb but harmless movie to kinda forget about things for a couple hours. It’s been a while since I’ve been able to do that. Thank you.
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