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Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by gentleman11 »

83457 wrote: post #141
tl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a huge fan of the work Valve is doing, both in gaming hardware and Linux support, but I'm unconvinced helping game-oriented malware run on Linux is good period, let alone the "greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming".

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that those are anti-cheat clients that are required by many games to be able to play online. Not being able to run on Linux means the game will never see Linux adoption.

Fine by me. Windows games secretly install malware with unlimited permissions to spy on you without your knowing how it works. Sometimes it collects browsing history etc like that red shell system. If steam releases this on Linux, we should all uninstall steam

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by martian42 »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #146
deltasixeight wrote: post #19

Just to be fair and balanced I'm a hardcore linux user and gamer and I've tried gaming on linux and I've hit many issues. 365 games on steam and while some windows games work I've hit probably just about every possible issue you can hit with other games. Graphical artifacts, freezing, stuttering, and even full OS reboots. Sometimes I read this thread and scratch my head. I get enthusiasm for FOSS, but enthusiasm to t…

Windows and Mac are not great for productivity and not easily customisable so if I want to be productive I need to work from a Linux environment and a Linux UI. I don't game that much and rebooting / having another dedicated machine is a PITA. I honestly don't remember experiencing that many issues with proton or wine for that matter. Maybe having to follow a wiki or installing something and a few minor issues. Proto…

How Linux is more productive than Mac? I think it's true only if you use a lot of customization, like a custom shortcut to switch to a specific app/virtual desktop, and do some stuff. That would be extremely time-consuming but also really cool. I'm thrilled to try but with how prone I'm to falling into rabbit holes I'm really scared how much time it could consume. I already spent too much time on creating my own fork of Colemak and a lot of custom shortcuts with Karabiner elements.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by badsectoracula »

foxhill wrote: post #14

i’ve been using linux as my daily driver for just over a year. steam on linux has been great, and proton (wine) has been indispensable. big title games i’ve played with _no_ issues at all: * Cyberpunk 2077 (ok that has issues, but it has the same issues for windows users..) * Dying Light * Titanfall * The Division along with _many_ other indie/small games. honestly the only thing left is titles that include invasive…

One issue i have with Proton is that it seems to run these popular games fine, but when faced with something more obscure there are issues left and right.

For example recently i installed Arch on my GPD Win 1 (which is essentially a much weaker Steam Deck that comes with Windows 10) and tried:

* RoboBlitz - it needed Ageia's PhysX installer which always failed to install at startup

* Clive Barker's Jericho - Didn't start at all

* Cherry Tree High Comedy Club - Worked fine (but it is a very simple 2D game so i kinda expected it)

* Mars: War Logs - It started but 3-4 in the game (actually during a cutscene but was rendered using the game engine) always crashed at random points

* Blood Knights - Worked fine

* Marlow Briggs - Didn't start at all

* Chaser - Didn't start at all

All of the above work under Windows 10 fine which makes me suspect that Valve is just going to make game-specific patches for the next Proton in Steam Deck. After all being able to play "the entirety of your library" sounds implausible when you can't do that even under Windows :-P (many games - especially older games - need custom fixes, etc).

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by gentleman11 »

weare138 wrote: post #173
junon wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

Sure it sucks but ultimately it's the user's decision and Proton will allow the porting of other Windows apps. If you can use it to run a AAA game it could easily handle business apps. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say they'd switch to Linux but can't because it doesn't run [ insert some Windows app here ]. It's a net gain for Linux adoption.

It’s not the users decision though. They don’t even realize this creepy software gets installed and they don’t know what it does

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by matheusmoreira »

Zhyl wrote: post #74

A headline in Linux gaming circles that hasn't hit the wider circuit yet (probably because it hasn't actually been delivered yet) is that Valve are working with Battleye and EAC to get anti-cheat working on Proton for the release of the steam deck. If this happens it will be, without exaggeration, the greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming. I'm not expecting a massive increase overnight, but it should mean tha…

Please no. Keep all those poorly-written proprietary privacy-invading vulnerability-enabling anti-cheat kernel modules as far away from Linux as possible.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by matheusmoreira »

83457 wrote: post #141
tl wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a huge fan of the work Valve is doing, both in gaming hardware and Linux support, but I'm unconvinced helping game-oriented malware run on Linux is good period, let alone the "greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming".

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that those are anti-cheat clients that are required by many games to be able to play online. Not being able to run on Linux means the game will never see Linux adoption.

Just write software that somehow pretends the anti-cheat module is running even though it's not.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by robertlagrant »

teh_klev wrote: post #213
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less than 20 years ago, Windows was the hobby level OS compared to Solaris and AIX. Windows Server 2005 was a complete and utter joke compared to Solaris. The company I worked for in 2006 was moving their Solaris servers to Linux. Windows wasn't an option because it wouldn't even meet the specs in real life.

I think you may thinking of Windows Server 2003. I also suspect you've never run Windows Server 2003 at enterprise scale either. No operating system is perfect, but Windows 2003 was a reasonably capable workhorse, even in 2003.

My old company made a DIS box (UK gov-specified integration server that would talk to the central Government Gateway) as Java on Solaris in the early noughties, and doing a performance test that one Solaris machine took down the entire Windows-based Government Gateway test environment. Draw your own conclusions :)

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by lucian1900 »

yxhuvud wrote: post #88
lucian1900 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows has completion ports (IOCP), which are much better. At least finally Linux is also getting completion based IO with io_uring.

Seems windows is getting ring buffers based io too, eventually: https://windows-internals.com/i-o-rings-when-one-i-o-operati... Not identical to io_uring, but close enough that porting between them will probably be quite simple.

Sure, the ring buffer part of also useful.

The competition triggered part is what was already there.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by clifdweller »

junon wrote: post #145
83457 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that those are anti-cheat clients that are required by many games to be able to play online. Not being able to run on Linux means the game will never see Linux adoption.

The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

I hope it is a 2 way discussion between each side where they can make suggestions. On windows it turned into install this antivirus level of access program that has barely been tested and no guarantees it wont install malicious software as it auto updates every boot of pc. At a minimum it should require 3rd party(valve could step in) validated signed patches to minimize threat of individual employee selling off right to deploy ransomware to millions of machines.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by [deleted] »

deltasixeight wrote: post #19

Just to be fair and balanced I'm a hardcore linux user and gamer and I've tried gaming on linux and I've hit many issues. 365 games on steam and while some windows games work I've hit probably just about every possible issue you can hit with other games. Graphical artifacts, freezing, stuttering, and even full OS reboots. Sometimes I read this thread and scratch my head. I get enthusiasm for FOSS, but enthusiasm to t…

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