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How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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If anyone is interested in this from the point of view of folklore or mythology, or as a source for worldbuilding, I suggest the Youtube channel Esoterica[0] which covers historic occult rituals and texts. The Lesser Key of Solomon, referenced in the article, is discussed here[1].

[0]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoydhtfFSk1fZXNRnkGnneQ

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HyPIwco38

Edit: a depressing number of people in this thread seem to take this stuff seriously. A lot of your parents wouldn't let you play D&D or listen to Black Sabbath as kids, huh?

Let go of your fear of the boogeyman, he isn't real.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. The axiom of excluded middle is false* because it's a universal quantification, and consequently includes pathalogical cases like "This proposition is false."; there are plenty of specific classes of proposions on which resticted versions of excluded middle are valid, just like there are plenty of classes of sets (eg all well-founded sets) that have well defined membership despite Russel's paradox. *: Giv…

I've seen the law of excluded middle used to deny the existence of platonic idealism. But I really don't get it. I'd love to understand your explanation better. If soul=psyche (as in Plato) then it seems easy to sell access to the attention. But if soul is referring to an ideal noetic form, then it's hard to understand how immaterial ownership would work without a material intermediary.

The axiom of excluded middle is that for every proposition, either that proposion is true or it is false. That's a universal quantification, so any counterexample makes it false. "This proposition is false." is such a counterexample (it can't be true, because than it's false and your logic is inconsistent, and it can't be false, because than it's true and ditto). This reasoning applies to pretty much any recognizable system of propositional logic (including, per Godel nineteen-thirty-something, systems that explicitly prohibit the basic self-referential counter example, as long as they're expressive enough to describe arithmetic), so it's at least colloquially correct to simply dismiss it as false, even if the pedantic version is that it's a axiom that cannot be part of a consistent set of axioms.

The theorem of included middle doesn't prevent specific classes of propositions from being exclusively divided into true and false, though. As a simple example, any proposition of the form "natural number SSS...SS0 is prime" will be either true or false, and there's nothing inconsistent about (say) "for every proposion P matching regex /(S)*0 is prime/, either P is true or P is false". Just like there's nothing weird about a linter that can reliably tell you that "while(1) {...}" doesn't terminate, halting problem or not.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Why is this on hackernews again? I thought it was a blog on Kubernetes or React!

Is a classical 'testing your interests' hook. Probably for filling reports. Similar to

'What brand of sunglasses do you wear?'.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28029206

or the, always popular bunch of themes falling in the pattern: 'do you take drugs?/ what drugs have you experienced?'

or 'what diseases do you had?' also very popular theme.

In resume, Don't talk with the police but, would you mind to answer this bunch of questions about your personality on internet instead, please?.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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post #185

Since we are on a metaphorical plane today. Let me put my comment along similar lines on a youtube video [1] You see in Zombie movies, the zombie is always trying to turn an individual capable of moral decisions, empathy, insight into just another zombie out of his own self interest. Our society is actually far closer to the truth shown in those movies. Just because people are not biting each other does not mean thos…

Interesting, my take was always diametrically opposite, that if it has any meaning at all it's the allegory for getting converted to a collectivist religion or an ideology. Zombies are not really selfish - I mean, if you were chasing one human in a horde and you were selfish, wouldn't you, for example, try to eliminate or exclude the competition? They are, rather, single-minded to the exclusion of any priorities othe…

What's the difference between a religion and a corporation that someone devotes their life to? Other than scale.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Interesting premise for a story:

Act 1: Protagonist sells their soul to the devil for infinite riches, wealth and power.

Act 2: Protagonist uses this power to solve the vast majority of the evils in the world: feeding and housing the poor, removing the corrupt from power, etc.

Act 3: The devil and god fight in 'court' over protagonist's soul, with god arguing that protagonist used the faustian bargain so benevolently that it would be unjust to send them to hell.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue. E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677... Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/ Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-... As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan…

My argument against this is as follows: would you sell your dignity for $10? Now, my dignity doesn't exist in any sense which makes selling it meaningful. So it's kind of like free money. But really it isn't. There's someone out there who can say "I own samatman's dignity, and I got it for cheap". I'm a guy who sold his dignity, and everyone knows it. I feel like people would judge me for that. There are definitely p…

ah i liked that episode too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Sells_His_Soul

>After proclaiming there is no such thing as a soul, Bart agrees to sell his to Milhouse for $5 on a piece of paper which reads "Bart Simpson's soul". Lisa warns Bart that he will regret selling his soul, but he dismisses her fears.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue. E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677... Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/ Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-... As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan…

My argument against this is as follows: would you sell your dignity for $10? Now, my dignity doesn't exist in any sense which makes selling it meaningful. So it's kind of like free money. But really it isn't. There's someone out there who can say "I own samatman's dignity, and I got it for cheap". I'm a guy who sold his dignity, and everyone knows it. I feel like people would judge me for that. There are definitely p…

What if you sell it to many people? Dignity, as an abstract concept, is self-replenishing and infinite. In fact, all of our dignities should be given for free, as they're infinitely less scarce than any currency that uses finite resources.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Why would learning stuff require a deal with the devil? Two of the listed demons are described pretty much as what a scientist is. If you find a proof of P != NP or the Riemann hypothesis, why would that be as bad as using the Death Note book?

There was no such thing as "science" at the time - every aspect of human thought and philosophy had some religious dimension or spiritual connotation. The study of the stars and planets was tied to astrology, and the study of herbs and healing was associated with witchcraft and folk magic.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the law of excluded middle used to deny the existence of platonic idealism. But I really don't get it. I'd love to understand your explanation better. If soul=psyche (as in Plato) then it seems easy to sell access to the attention. But if soul is referring to an ideal noetic form, then it's hard to understand how immaterial ownership would work without a material intermediary.

The axiom of excluded middle is that for every proposition, either that proposion is true or it is false. That's a universal quantification, so any counterexample makes it false. "This proposition is false." is such a counterexample (it can't be true, because than it's false and your logic is inconsistent, and it can't be false, because than it's true and ditto). This reasoning applies to pretty much any recognizable…

I understand what you're saying (in the first paragraph). I really do because I also went down this path. Self-reference is very tricky and it's way easier to trick yourself into proving things than to prove things.

You are referencing Godel and there is a reason why he only proved 'non-provability', namely Tarski's undefinability theorem[1]. In short, you cannot express the truthiness of a statement in the system within the system itself. This prohibits you to draw conclusions in a way you did above.

I'm of course no expert on the matter, and I might be wrong just as likely, but I'll encourage you not to make such strong, definitive statements. Maybe the reason for it is only that what you stated above would be a huge result in mathematics so one would think there is a mistake somewhere (especially since Liar's paradox is nothing new). And one would explore the subject further to find it rather than 'I post it on online forums because no one wants to accept my theory'

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarski%27s_undefinability_theo...

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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I’m appalled this is even on HN.

- If you are an atheist, would you sell it for $5? If the answer is no, why sell it for more? What value can you place on your soul (or someone’s idea of it)?

- If someone is willing to pay much more than $5, consider what they are gaining, and what you are losing. Why would they be willing to pay so much?

- If only in the interest of self preservation, have you heard of Pascal’s Wager? [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

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