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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by temac »

freeone3000 wrote: post #98
nxc18 wrote: post #83

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Windows on ARM is already working on M1 Mac through parallels. The big issue now is licensing and I assume some niceties in terms of official drivers/fine-tuning support. According to recent videos, Windows in a VM on M1 Mac today has same or better performance than Windows on ARM running natively on Surface Pro X. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/22/m1-mac-windows-parallel... https://twitter.com/imbushuo/status/133…

Licensing isn't an issue: a standard Windows 10 Pro license is processor-independent and includes a single-seat virtualization license. If Apple allowed it, you could even use the same license for virtualization and BootCamp like you can on amd64 macs.

I'm not sure ARM images are available, except for big OEMs. Also IIRC the boot is not restricted to Apple software (or at least can be unlocked), so I'm not sure that Apple is actually disallowing anything. Getting native drivers is another issue...

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by fctorial »

intricatedetail wrote: post #68

This is pathetic. At this point Intel should open up x86 and become like ARM as this is proven to work now. I wonder how badly Intel's mishap set humanity back by releasing essentially the same processors each year...

And I should open up my sewage pieline and become like starbucks.

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Post by tathisit »

fctorial wrote: post #223
intricatedetail wrote: post #68

This is pathetic. At this point Intel should open up x86 and become like ARM as this is proven to work now. I wonder how badly Intel's mishap set humanity back by releasing essentially the same processors each year...

And I should open up my sewage pieline and become like starbucks.

Intel and AMD superglued x86' bottom and gave it laxatives.

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Post by temac »

userbinator wrote: post #114
coding123 wrote: post #73

I think at this point we're just waiting for Windows and Linux to be fully supported on the M1 or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port.

or for ARM to come out with a system on a chip that's documented enough for Windows and Linux to make a port Linux (i.e. Android) already has been ported to countless ARM SoCs, the problem being that all of these SoCs are subtly different even if they're well-documented.

Around x64 cpus you have plenty of peripherals that are subtly different too. Arguably the situation is "worse" for ARM, but it is getting worse every year on the x64 front too, esp since MS decided to release extremely short lived OSes quite fast, without really any fixed HW support policies. In the end I've recently had built-in ethernet on a recent Intel not recognized by a few years old Linux distro, so at the end of the day it does not matter much if you can't use a computer because of an essential "peripheral" or because of an interrupt controller; and if you have recent enough software it will be supported in both cases.

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Post by neogodless »

totalZero wrote: post #171
Drew_ wrote: post #133

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AMD is beating Intel on performance, but with recent price cuts, Intel is offering VERY good value right now and also much better availability. If you don't need the absolute best, Intel is the way to go easily.

That is the most succinct and business-minded summary in the entire thread. Relatedly, I am surprised by the commenters who believe that the trends in Intel pricing were somehow involuntary. The outperformance of AMD CPUs was clear even prior to the pandemic, and I recall talk at that time about Intel using price pressure to resist AMD's expansion of market share and gross margins. Now that silicon supply is getting…

> somehow involuntary

Given the choice, Intel would rather resist AMD's expansion of market share and gross margins without lowering their prices.

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Post by hnISmongoguy »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #142
hnISmongoguy wrote: post #119

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Oh wow, I didn't know HN still had knowledgeable commentators! (I thought it was a competition to say BLUE COMPANY BAD GREEN COMPANY GOOD in various ways). So OP assuming I still want to buy an AMD because of its ECC support, (and can get my hands on a GPU), can you point me somewhere so that I can read about the last point you made. (EDIT: haven't researched but https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-with-graphics…

If you had asked me about NVIDIA, since I run Wayland on Linux, I would have probably been much more biased. Regarding the last point, you can learn more about it here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g Or, on their official GitHub Wiki: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTg_Setup_Guide AMD's similar MxGPU is only available on Radeon Pro and their Workstation graphics: https://www.amd.com/en/gra…

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by hnISmongoguy »

my123 wrote: post #209
encryptluks2 wrote: post #142

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If you had asked me about NVIDIA, since I run Wayland on Linux, I would have probably been much more biased. Regarding the last point, you can learn more about it here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g Or, on their official GitHub Wiki: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/wiki/GVTg_Setup_Guide AMD's similar MxGPU is only available on Radeon Pro and their Workstation graphics: https://www.amd.com/en/gra…

Hello, Intel GVT-g is not supported on Gen11 and Gen12 gen Intel Graphics. It's only supported on Gen9 and earlier. About Intel discrete graphics: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/issues/160 > Internally we have some prototype but there is no formal plan to support GVT-g on discrete GPU like DG1 and about integrated later ones: https://github.com/intel/gvt-linux/issues/126 > until now there is no plan on it. Hopefu…

Thank you so much for the extra information!

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rowanG077 »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #215
rowanG077 wrote: post #183

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Schooling, campaigns. A mandatory "driving" license for media consumption.

Licensing people for reading a newspaper? That is insane.

I would mandate that you would have to take it until you pass (Excluding extreme cases). But of course you cannot ban people from reading something.

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Post by mastax »

rglullis wrote: post #198
oliwarner wrote: post #182

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> why the downvotes, HN? Your honest account seems more like a series of errors you've invited on yourself. Your motherboard prices are insane. And this litany of spontaneously breaking components make you sound like you're just yeeting the stuff around. Maybe that's all unfair, but it's how it comes across. Now you're comparing the prices of the i9-10900 to the 5900X, when the 5800X's performance more than matches i…

> If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service Like I actually did, I have been doing since I can't even remember to build previous workstations, NAS, the dappnode under my desk, and my home server that runs the services I self-host? - Ryzen upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxx2nL - Intel upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP8jCz Looking around now, it seems that MSI X570 is…

That motherboard supports BIOS flashback so you didn't need a CPU installed to update the BIOS.

You're technically supposed to buy memory from the motherboard's QVL for exactly that reason, but I don't know anyone who does that anymore.

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