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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by nuker »

swarnie_ wrote: post #212
nuker wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's not aimed at people that live in cities People are, u know, people. They will defy the "not designed for you" clause. Still, is there a number for one sat bandwidth?

Are people going to pay a $500 equipment cost upfront and then $99 a month if they have alternatives? For me in my big city i can get 360mb down unlimited lines for the equivalent of around $50 per month. Anyone choosing the Starlink option in that scenario probably shouldn't have financial independence in the first place.

> Anyone choosing the Starlink option in that scenario probably shouldn't have financial independence in the first place.

I know, rich bastards, right?

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Post by radres »

I see that some people think we can do much better in latency. But you need to realize an information will never, never ever, travel from Europe to US West under 30 ms.

Why? Light travels from Berlin to SF in 30 milliseconds. That is absolute minimum you can do. This is not even roundtrip time.

So when Starlink tells you it will be 20 ms, just think about 20 ms to where? To the nearest satellite? Sure.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

partiallypro wrote: post #114
supernova87a wrote: post #85

Note, it says you cannot take your Starlink to a different address (or I suppose, put it on a boat, plane, RV, etc): https://www.starlink.com/faq "Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address? Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell. Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you mov…

That kind of sucks, maybe in the future they will allow you to move about. I don't see why you couldn't travel with the array. I can understand if the dish were moving but if you just have your RV parked it seems like you should just be able to just jump online.

I'm sure very soon you'll be able to pay a premium to use any cell.

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Post by 88840-8855 »

xbmcuser wrote: post #204

The biggest thing Starlink will bring is competition now people will be shocked at how the older ISP's are suddenly able to provide better speeds for cheaper and no download upload limits. Just like it area where google fiber was introduced.

This will be true for the first 1-2 years or so. Once more people can be reached, marginal cost for new customers will go down and consequently the prices of the package.

There is a big difference between delivering some hardware to 10k people vs. 400mio people. I will not be surprised if Starlink manages to be price-competetive within the next 3 to 5 years.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

arcticbull wrote: post #199
cromka wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Australian FinTech will definitely appreciate Starlink, then?

I suspect Australian FinTech would be more interested in colocating near exchanges instead of trying to beam their orders through space, but I don't work in the sector so I can't say for sure.

Totally different use cases.

If you want to observe events at one exchange and send orders to another, all that matters is total latency. For that use it doesn't matter whether your servers are in the same room as one of the exchanges or 200 miles away from either one.

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Post by nickik »

sverhagen wrote: post #174
walrus01 wrote: post #105

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theoretically, great, and I would be shocked if they did not release a product functionally equivalent to the iridium and inmarsat aviation and maritime terminals, because of how much potential revenue is there. it will also be much better and faster than a multi-axis motorized tracking geostationary maritime terminal ($40,000+ things you can find in radomes on large ships, operating in various ku and ka band network…

> theoretically, great Except then this thing were they assign you to a single cell and the vessel may pass the boundaries of said cell? Do you expect some sort of protocol for automatic handoff to the next cell in the future?

That already works fine, the dish is switching sats incredibly fast and is tracking multiple sats at a time.

The limitation with the cells is that currently not all cells have the same amount of sats above them so they will not claim that guarantee anything.

Some people have tested that and it worked fine if you move it.

They will likely have a different terminal or plan for mobile service, would be my assumption.

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Post by rlt »

walrus01 wrote: post #110
Jedd wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect a fair bit of interest from latency-sensitive markets (eg finance) here in Australia. A few years ago when I was in the WAN optimisation space, IIRC Sydney/Singapore latency was ~150ms, partly raw distance, partly because the route was physically quite convoluted. There's some expectation that once Starlink's mesh comms ramp up, it'll be significantly faster to go up to a bird, across through one or more at…

in terms of raw capacity, I do not think that the intersatellite laser links (if/when they do get that working, which is a long ways off, 10 out of the 1050+ satellites right now have them, and none in production use), will approach anywhere near the capacity of a 40 or 80 channel, coherent 100/200/400GbE DWDM submarine line terminal. it's a whole other order of magnitudes.

Why couldn’t intersatellite laser links have similar capacity to fiber? In principle, if not practice?

Is it because ISLs will require more powerful lasers because the light is focused through a lens instead of guided through a fiber?

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Post by hengri »

systemvoltage wrote: post #22

I am not sure if this is wishful thinking but can Starlink lead to growth of smaller communities that are self-sustaining (produce their own renewable electricity, food, etc) that cannot simply exist due to connectivity constraints? I have a dream of the world where we live in 1-10k population small towns littered around the globe, connected through starlink and public ways, and the idea of cities would become obsole…

Urban population density is the only thing that is keeping our(US) carbon footprint from going through the roof imo. I'd much rather have people live in high density buildings within walking distance to most things. Sewers, electricity lines, gas, roads, water is all shared.
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