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Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by walrus01 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #203
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern examples of a gay couple being refused service is a poor example. They can’t just go to the other financial institutions, because all of them have black-listed them. An Internet business cannot feasibly operate on cash alone. Just like any farmer in the 1800s can just go lay his own railroad tracks across the continent, every website that hosts wrongthink is equally capable of creating their own banks, pay…

What banks was he black listed from?

None, this person is apparently complaining he was blacklisted from Patreon.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by dang »

jjcon wrote: post #111
hedora wrote: post #103

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Yeah; some sibling comments here say Covid stats are difficult to interpret, but cite phenomena (non random samples, false positives, conflation of population and sample statistics, etc) that should be covered by any reasonable introductory statistics course. In the US, that’s first or second year undergrad territory. Overseas, it’s often covered in high school. It’s particularly depressing that science reporters reg…

Mods this is obviously a nix23 alt account which was already flagged in multiple places by mods for spamming flame bait. Both accounts post in the same places regularly. But I’ll bite. The point of providing an example is to show how there can be unobvious effects that are specific to the medical field (and isn’t as simple as cases per day). It takes Doctors and statisticians working together to interpret this info c…

I see zero evidence of that, and it's a serious violation of the site guidelines to post like that. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. As it says there, if you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

One of the most important lessons I've learned from poring over this data is that 99% of the things that internet users describe as "obvious" are not only obvious but false. A strange phenomenon, and one we all need to work on overcoming if we're to have real conversation.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by dang »

nix23 wrote: post #69
jjcon wrote: post #65

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Taking a stats class does not a data scientist make. COVID statistics can be very very difficult to interpret, especially at the beginning when data was scarce. Edit to add example : For instance, most people agree it is best to exclude totally random testing sites from COVID numbers because even though the false positive rate is very low, at the beginning so was the incidence of COVID which means most of the positiv…

Are you even capable of reading? No wonder you need a specialist to "decipher" simple data as covid-cases/day. EDIT: Why are you changing your comment to that extend. That's not honest anymore. Bye

Posting like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25811860 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25802483 is unacceptable and will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by dang »

hedora wrote: post #106
hedora wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah; some sibling comments here say Covid stats are difficult to interpret, but cite phenomena (non random samples, false positives, conflation of population and sample statistics, etc) that should be covered by any reasonable introductory statistics course. In the US, that’s first or second year undergrad territory. Overseas, it’s often covered in high school. It’s particularly depressing that science reporters reg…

(also, the flagging of nix23’s comment is way out of line.)

If you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25811860, the comment was correctly flagged because the flamebait in it broke the site guidelines badly.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by mdoms »

overscore wrote: post #214
mdoms wrote: post #205

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> a raid is a raid Nonsense. There's a world of difference between a couple of cops knocking on your door and a full squad of fully armed, fully armoured militarised faux-soldiers busting down your door and threatening to shoot you, your family and your pets - and often following through on those threats.

You are moving the goal posts. Police knocking on your door is not a raid - the element of surprise is the defining factor, from the US to anywhere in Europe to an infantry section in Kandahar. You claim above that raids are unique to the US and its abnormal police, but now the claim has morphed into the manner in which they are conducted that's different. Even in Ireland, where police are routinely unarmed and gun c…

> I think you have an unrealistic view of policing outside of the US.

I live outside the US, dipshit.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by fdschoeneman »

staticman2 wrote: post #215
fdschoeneman wrote: post #133

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Probably millions of instances. I think I'd prefer the state not announce what it is charging people with. Once she's charged, she should be able to say so. But consider the possibility one is falsely accused of rape. In my case, I'd want the charge kept private until the courts sorted things out. Or until I was falsely imprisoned at least.

A basic aspect of the court system is the public should know what the court is doing. The last thing you want is secret courts and secret police disappearing people. At any rate the charges will be public after she is arrested as required by law.

An accused person can and should be able to say whatever she wants about her accusations and the process. There are instances where they can't in the US and I think that is wrong. I'm not arguing in favor of secret courts. I'm arguing in favor of preserving a person's reputation until and unless the person can be proven guilty. Or at least until facts have been reasonably well established in court.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by fdschoeneman »

josho wrote: post #153
fdschoeneman wrote: post #97

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I think it would be helpful if you let us know why you believe it is obvious.

In what sane world do you merit a police raid for publishing public health data? Assuming the worst that she accessed a computer she was not authorized to access. This data, in the aggregate, is public data. Regardless innocent until proven guilty applies. And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’.

You are are assuming facts not in evidence. We don't know for sure what the raid was about.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by fdschoeneman »

curlypaul924 wrote: post #190
josho wrote: post #153

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In what sane world do you merit a police raid for publishing public health data? Assuming the worst that she accessed a computer she was not authorized to access. This data, in the aggregate, is public data. Regardless innocent until proven guilty applies. And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’.

> And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’. As I understand it, the police can tell _her_ the charges, but they cannot make the details of the warrants public until she has been processed. After that it becomes public record with the court. This is itself an issue, because websites scrape court documents and…

I don't know what the laws or policies are in Florida for such things. I can see a privacy right being violated I the case where a state reveals the subject of a warrant that could be mistakenly issued. For example, if someone used my wifi to download child porn and the cops executed a search warrant on my computers, I would absolutely not want want them to make any public statement.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by fdschoeneman »

MilnerRoute wrote: post #200
fdschoeneman wrote: post #86

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I don't know what the raid on Ms. Jones house was about and am going to reserve judgment until I do. There's just so much weirdness. She calls herself a data scientist, which she may well consider herself to be, but the state appears to have hired her as a website developer, and fired her as a website developer, because she refused to put out data in her capacity as a web developer that the state's paid, official dat…

According to the article in the Tampa Bay Times, Jones' official title was: Geographic information system manager for the Florida Department of Health's Division of Disease Control and Health Protection

Interesting.

Re: Arrest warrant issued for ex-Florida data scientist Rebekah Jones

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Post by PicassoCTs »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #202
LocalH wrote: post #121

>After she was fired, Jones started her own online COVID-19 dashboard. But she said Saturday that she may no longer be allowed access to computers, the internet or other electronic devices as a condition of her release from jail pending trial. In the modern day, with so much that is online or involving computers, this should be considered unjust punishment, the likes of which should be reserved only for child moleste…

IOT - so if she uses some chipped sneaker to count steps, she is in violation. Now that is a law that nobody can follow in modern times. Ring a door bell at a neighbour - you are in violation.

There should be a amendments to all constitution, that no law is valid, that can not be followed by a citizen with reasonable effort.

The whole copyright violation criminalization started this pattern of laws, that every citizen can assumed to be in violation of.

And if everyone is in violation of such a law, the state is free to choose which violations are prosecuted and which are not. Capriciousness. One of many assaults on democracy, coming in a nice disguise.

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