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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Mea culpa: I had the completely wrong idea on this post. See down thread. I would delete this comment if I could. Is that why "Hang Mike Pence" was allowed to trend with 14K tweets, and later that same day "Hang Pence" with 55K?[1] I'd wager every penny I own that almost none of those people were banned or sanctioned in any way. [1]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1347791913806532609

Not only did twitter end up removing it, but it was a hashtag in response to a video from the protests of people yelling “Hang Mike Pence”, primarily not people actually calling for Mike Pence to be hanged. That I keep seeing this example being thrown around from conservative sources shows either a desire to argue in bad faith or a complete inability to research things beyond the absolute surface level. And it’s not…

Did they actively remove it, or did it just age out of trending like everything does after a relatively short amount of time?

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The rise of the Authoritarian left is upon. Brace for patriot act 2.0. Being banned from banking, flights, job opportunities, and society based on political association. Watch the crackdown as Biden is a deeply problematic and corrupt individual, that won an election that increasingly people will question as taxes are raised on the productive, and covid rules are used to justify taking away rights.

if you don't want to be treated like a terrorist, you probably shouldn't fly to the nations capitol and storm congress.

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At some point this becomes about what is right for society versus what you can legally get away with and what you feel like doing because you can. Is this, legally, a free speech issue on its own? No, and I support Amazon’s right to “nope” out of anything they want. But in the current context of the rush to also prevent open Trump support in other areas like payment processing, and the way the media is hellbent on tr…

The worst part about the giddy, gleeful way in which they are shutting down these echo chamber apps is the complete lack of thought as to how this impacts and further radicalizes the users. I have a brother who is into Qanon and Alex Jones. All of this just feeds into and cements the narrative, and pushes him into alternative platforms where he is even less likely to hear or see more mainstream view points. It litera…

I think perhaps you are correct, but I think we have come to the realization that people like your brother are gone and not likely to come back without serious help (medication, therapy, etc.) Just being exposed to other points of view does not seem to cure them.

So given that, the only reasonable conclusion I can come up with this that this is essentially an enemy force living in our country - thousands of terrorists and perhaps millions of terrorist sympathizers. Our only goal at this point is to deny them aid, support, and the tools to organize effectively.

Like it or not, we have entered into an era of asymmetric warfare with what amounts to a terroristic cult in the United States.

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Here's what I've seen when the powers-that-be disrupt online communities... most people who were "casuals" stop paying attention when the convenient options (Twitter, Parler) disappear, and just go on with their life, watching Netflix or football instead. But the truly hardcore get pushed underground into a smaller and more virulent community (which Parler was to Twitter, and which something will be to Parler).

I expect Trumpism to take a hit as a political movement but thrive as an extremist movement as a consequence of this "shunning." Expect fewer 2016 elections and more January 6th terrorism.

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Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

"Storming the capital" had as much legitimacy as the "raid on AREA 51." Those people dressed like Huck Finn Braveheart had as much chance of overthrowing the US government as memelords did kidnapping an alien and bringing intergalactic peace. This feels like 9/11 all over again. You got the worst legislation in US history as a result of 9/11. (the Patriotic Act) What's going to be the Patriotic Act for the internet n…

Coups in the 21st century may not look like coups of the 20th century. This article may interest you - https://themargins.substack.com/p/the-first-phygital-coup

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Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

Who's next? Telegram?

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The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

The Iraq war is a great example because it highlights how rare this is. You had to go back 15 years to find an example of the mainstream media misleading people on this scale. It can be true that both: - The NYT deserves a lot of blame for the lead up to the iraq war ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War ) - Newspapers generally do a really good job of fact checking the articles they print

There's a really good reason for that. Journalistic standards are a defense in court against lawsuits. The truth is a defense against Libel.

But further, even just acting in good faith can be a defense against libel. It's only when you knowingly publish a false statement that you get in legal hot water.

This is why Fox news and the like have been doing 180s on voter fraud lies. It's not because they have the best interest of the public at heart, it's because they are trying mitigate liability.

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Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence…

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Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

Free Speech is such a disgusting thing we should never allow low IQ people to exist. Is that what you are saying ?

Yeah man, obviously that is what we are trying to say. You got us, this is just a front for a giant eugenics conspiracy run by Big Tech.

Get help.

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