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Twitter puts an active effort into removing those posts. You can definitely make the case they don’t go far enough, but Parler did the bare minimum. You would have to cherry pick the reasonable content off that site.

Mea culpa: I had the completely wrong idea on this post. See down thread. I would delete this comment if I could. Is that why "Hang Mike Pence" was allowed to trend with 14K tweets, and later that same day "Hang Pence" with 55K?[1] I'd wager every penny I own that almost none of those people were banned or sanctioned in any way. [1]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1347791913806532609

Not only did twitter end up removing it, but it was a hashtag in response to a video from the protests of people yelling “Hang Mike Pence”, primarily not people actually calling for Mike Pence to be hanged. That I keep seeing this example being thrown around from conservative sources shows either a desire to argue in bad faith or a complete inability to research things beyond the absolute surface level. And it’s not like there aren’t other examples one could use to make reasonable complaints about censorship bias on twitter.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Twitter puts an active effort into removing those posts. You can definitely make the case they don’t go far enough, but Parler did the bare minimum. You would have to cherry pick the reasonable content off that site.

Mea culpa: I had the completely wrong idea on this post. See down thread. I would delete this comment if I could. Is that why "Hang Mike Pence" was allowed to trend with 14K tweets, and later that same day "Hang Pence" with 55K?[1] I'd wager every penny I own that almost none of those people were banned or sanctioned in any way. [1]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1347791913806532609

How many of those tweets were users commenting on news reports that the rioters were chanting "Hang Mike Pence"? https://twitter.com/search?q=hang%20mike%20pence&src=typed_q...

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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I poked around on it some, and noticed something ... disturbing. I saw what I assumed were bots posting a lot of garbage links to 'articles' like "Obama compound raided!" and "8 Democrats switch to Republican Party" (that actually happened in Feb 2020, but the link was to an undated rerun and the link was posted.. 2 days ago?). The links were to such trustworthy sites as 'firstusanews.us' (made up, but all variants l…

> the only way to get 'badged' is to use the mobile app and take a picture of govt ID (driver license, passport, etc). Some people have argued, based on this, that Parler was set up by the NSA to get data on people. Hoovering up data from social media is certainly the sort of thing the NSA would do.

This suggestion doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

Do you really think the best way for a government agency to access government IDs is to secretly run a Twitter clone?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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This is actually a widespread and common business situation. I used to work for a company that made a specialized component, and a customer called us up one day and said: "We have to knock 1 cent off the cost of your component, or WalMart will drop our brand from all of their stores." More broadly, a lot of businesses are at the mercy of a single big customer or supplier. Texas Instruments could discontinue the chip…

Components are a bit different in that they are marketed as "obsolete for new designs", etc. and anyone making a physical product knows to plan for the eventuality that a supplier will be unreliable or that a part will be discontinued. This situation is not analogous since access to AWS is ongoing.

Indeed, and I could have prepared myself for the situation in any number of ways, including monitoring my components status, designing around the dependency, and so forth. I think. Not all suppliers make it easy to discover the status of components.

Do you think that a sole source relationship carries an implied contract of continued service? Should that be a regulation? I don't think I'd like that.

As I understand it, AWS didn't force Parler to sole-source their computing infrastructure. And Parler claimed that they had prepared for such an eventuality.

I don't know if it would apply to the current situation with Parler, as my understanding is that they did agree to terms of service, and that the dispute with AWS over their content moderation didn't come up all of a sudden.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

#185

Just curios. How about uber, could they refuse to service employes from parler :) ? Or lets say refuse service some right wing people. I mean it is just a private company...

Apparently it depends on the country. Facebook deleted personal profiles of NSO group employees because they hacked WhatsApp but then an Israeli court ruled that was illegal. Sometimes Facebook does the right thing. I think Uber should refuse service to those added to the no fly list. Some of them aren't taking it so well: https://mobile.twitter.com/rayredacted/status/13483886011182...

Interesting. How about a doctor, could he legally refuse treatment as well?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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> If no other companies want to host Parler, isn't that more a reflection of Parler than the hosting companies? Yes. The funny thing is that it happened to people who foam at the mouth about the rights of private businesses to do what they want and decry government intervention.

You're conflating different groups of people because you don't understand the nuances of the different groups at play. These are not the same groups in the slightest.

How are they not when they support the same group of politicians?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

#188

All I’m going to say is that I’m all for free speech and setting fair rules for everyone to play by (ie regulation), but looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles this is beyond simple free speech. I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech but there are clear threats being made on the platform. If Parler doesn’t want to do any content regula…

"looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles" isn't much better than looking at screenshots on facebook.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

Free Speech is such a disgusting thing we should never allow low IQ people to exist. Is that what you are saying ?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

#190
One thing which concerns me a bit about this is that removing Parler removes a big chunk of evidence about how this was planned and who was involved.

- Is this archived?

- Does Law enforcement have access to that archive?

Seems like once it's abundantly clear there is zero profit left in this the owners will abandon any link to the data and let it all rot and vanish. This strikes me as a lost opportunity.

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