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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by fgonzag »

snazz wrote: post #9
Ingon wrote: post #6

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My biggest gripe with amd is that I need to think about gfx card when buying one. I’d love to have a simple vega 8 in all of their cpus.

I have a hard time believing that most purchasers of high-end consumer CPUs wouldn't use a discrete GPU. What's the use-case you're envisioning where an integrated GPU is a good use of die space?

A developer's machine doesn't really require a lot of graphic horsepower, as long as it can drive multiple high resolution monitors.

I see the use case at least, but I agree that I rather AMD use the die space for a faster CPU and release cheap (sub $100) and low power graphics cards with multiple display outputs.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by eikenberry »

katsura wrote: post #39
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

I noticed that as well. Either the build quality is questionable, some hardware elements, or the screen itself. Somehow it seems like there isn't any real AMD option that a self-respecting dev could buy. By the time AMD laptops catch up, M1 will leave everybody in the dust.

Lenovo has several AMD options in the Thinkpad lineup. Personally I'm eyeing an T14 but am really putting it off as I'm hoping System76 actually gets their in-house designed laptops available as I'd like to see those before pulling the trigger on yet another Lenovo.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by dathinab »

api wrote: post #138
dathinab wrote: post #120

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Especially given that TSMC seems on a good track to go to 3nm nodes. Which supposedly will have something like 2.5x the transistor density then Intels current production mechanism. Even without much other improvements from AMD this can hurt quite a bit. The only think currently beneficial for Intel is that they don't relay on TSMC and in turn are not affected by shortages of nearly everyone else competing for TSMC pr…

Intel had a footing in the very early phone market via StrongARM but they sold that off for some bizarre reason. They also got a little bit of a footing with Atom in the Android market, which is why Android/x86 was a thing, but they didn't seem to take that seriously either.

Thanks, I didn't know.

I always thought Android/x86 exists for "special purpose" reasons, including to make it easy to prototype Java Android Apps and similar. (I mean for pure Java Android Apps the difference in code you write between x86 and ARM Android should be very very small. Through it doesn't work out that well once JNI is involved, I guess)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by easde »

toopok4k3 wrote: post #99
eloff wrote: post #24

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My old desktop is still a beast with a 10 core Xeon and 128GB of ram. I'm investing in a new rig to speed up my rust compiles. The current machine is 4 years old now, so I can afford to wait a few months for a build that will last me that long.

Do you actually get real RoI on that thing? Must have cost magnitudes more than normal desktop hardware. Or is this where you just accept that it's worth it purely for tingling the geek inside you?

Old server hardware can be very cheap, although it's not necessarily the best value. Typically it only makes sense if 1) you need a lot of memory, 2) you don't mind a slightly higher power bill and 3) you don't care about single core performance.

I've used a 12-core Haswell Xeon as a desktop for about five years (got it used for around $500, plus $200 for a brand new LGA 2011 v3 motherboard). At the time it was twice as fast as a high-end desktop 4-core CPU. It's still reasonably competitive on multithreaded workloads versus a recent 6 core desktop CPU, but fares poorly on single-threaded tasks. DDR4 was a bit expensive back then, but quad channel memory helps in that you can buy lower density DIMMs. Today, even DDR4 ECC RDIMM server pulls are dirt cheap. I picked up 4x16GB DDR4-2400 RDIMMs for just $90 last year.

I'll probably replace it with a 5900X soon, but it's served well over the past five years. Certainly much better than a i7-4770K box from the same time.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by llampx »

eloff wrote: post #211
gwd wrote: post #143

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> What sales, they hardly had any stock available. Out of curiosity, are you trying to buy a chip , or a system ? If the latter, is it possible that it's a problem with PC makers not assembling enough AMD systems, rather than AMD not making enough chips? I'm asking because for a long time Intel would have deals where they'd give PC manufacturers a hefty discount if AMD were less than 10% of their sales; such that the…

It's the chip in this case. Intel did a pretty dirty thing there, how they haven't been slapped down for abusing a monopoly is beyond me. Do antitrust laws have any teeth in the US anymore?

Nope. At some point geopolitics came into the picture and the US decided it was going to protect its own bigcorps at any cost. The hidden threat was (and is) that China would never do such a thing as punish its own big corporations for anticompetitive, unethical and illegal practices.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by the_lucifer »

BearOso wrote: post #209
dathinab wrote: post #126

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It's a bit of nit-picking but I would say AMD and Apple. The M1 is a Apple chip not and ARM chip. Sure it uses ARM IPs including the ARM instruction set. But it doesn't really use the ARM provided IP-cores as far as I know. So the M1 is ARM in the sense that AMD chips are x86 ;=) This seems to be a pointless differentiation but the M1 chips are inherently different from other ARM ISA using chips using ARM IP-cores. P…

I believe they still license the ARM designs and just make changes on top of them. The GPUs are also very much PowerVR-based, even though they aren’t branded that way any more. The special hardware for emulation was also mostly debunked. Turns out it’s just a really optimized software emulation layer.

> I believe they still license the ARM designs and just make changes on top of them.

Nope. They only license the ISA (Apple has an ARM ISA perpetual license). Apple hasn't used ARM designs since the A6 back in 2012.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by the_lucifer »

dathinab wrote: post #126
pmarreck wrote: post #78

AMD and ARM are both eating Intel's lunch lately

It's a bit of nit-picking but I would say AMD and Apple. The M1 is a Apple chip not and ARM chip. Sure it uses ARM IPs including the ARM instruction set. But it doesn't really use the ARM provided IP-cores as far as I know. So the M1 is ARM in the sense that AMD chips are x86 ;=) This seems to be a pointless differentiation but the M1 chips are inherently different from other ARM ISA using chips using ARM IP-cores. P…

> But it doesn't really use the ARM provided IP-cores as far as I know.

You are correct. Apple has made fully custom chips since 2012. However the graphics still seems to be PowerVR based (ergo the complaints by Imagination Technologies about IP infringement)

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by sandGorgon »

distances wrote: post #213
sandGorgon wrote: post #139

There's something wrong in this story. The IdeaPad Slim 7 4800u, a laptop that has been called "too good to be true" has been put of stock due to 4800u supply issues for months. It's super hard to find any laptops with high end (comparable to i7/i9) processors. I'm totally unsure where is the stock coming and going. Tinfoil hat tells me that Intel is buying up all the supply!

These charts were only about desktop processor sales. I believe there wasn't a single laptop processor in the data, which makes sense as you don't buy laptop processors individually.

its a proxy. laptop sales outstrip desktop globally. if there is THIS much laptop shortage, I dont think its the case that AMD is choosing to focus on the desktop market versus laptop.

I'm seeing a large supply shortage. My bet is that someone is buying up all the supply at an enterprise level. Either it is AWS (with its new AMD servers - https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/amd/ ). I dont think there's barely enough AMD supply for retail

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by kasabali »

snazz wrote: post #9
Ingon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe with amd is that I need to think about gfx card when buying one. I’d love to have a simple vega 8 in all of their cpus.

I have a hard time believing that most purchasers of high-end consumer CPUs wouldn't use a discrete GPU. What's the use-case you're envisioning where an integrated GPU is a good use of die space?

> What's the use-case you're envisioning where an integrated GPU is a good use of die space?

These CPUs are using a multi chip design. There'd be no waste of die space. They can slap a small Vega3@12nm die alongside I/O die.

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