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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by AntiImperialist »

deadalus wrote: post #190
AntiImperialist wrote: post #153

As much as I would like to see this happen, I don't think it is going to happen this time around either... or ever. We've seen this movie before. Minds, Gab, Patreon alternatives, Voat, all of this has been done with no success. Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. I think the new model is to do it secretly in closed groups away from the public, preferably local groups where you meet with…

Patreon alternative Subscribestar is absolutely huge with many big-name content creators using it.

The problem is that all the alternatives are open to the same line of attacks that the current platforms are.

The people who run the platforms directly or those who help them operate via partnerships, investments, can be threatened, bought or invited to the current equivalent of the Epstein's island... and they'll eventually have to get in line.

The current assumption that these tech companies work the way they do because of the ideology of people who own them or work for them is either very incomplete or completely flawed.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by sagichmal »

dustinmoris wrote: post #216
hooande wrote: post #179

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if twitter is so bad, why do you keep using it?

> if twitter is so bad, why do you keep using it? Did you read what I said? I have stopped using Twitter. I don't tweet, I don't have the app, I don't engage in anything what happens there now. I just occasionally peek in to see if I'm missing out on anything and surprisingly I don't. As a result I see myself (unconsciously) check Twitter less and less.

> I have stopped using Twitter.

> I just occasionally [use Twitter] to see if . . .

Hm.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by LatteLazy »

It’s worth noting that the first thing Parler did was start censoring anyone unsupportive of their form of conservatism. They’re not offering freer speech, they’re offering a safe space. Maybe that’s a seller, maybe it’s not, but it’s an important distinction. This is really just /r/conservative taken to its logical conclusion.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by TylerE »

Siira wrote: post #116
ardy42 wrote: post #57

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> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

How are they “verifiable” falsehoods? E.g., conspiracy theories are famous for being almost always unfalsifiable. These views usually are a mix of low prior hypotheses, politically incorrect semi-truths, marketing propaganda (with few empirical assertions), and lies.

Like the knowledge that the Mueller investigation got criminal convictions on a number of Trump associates including Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Rick Gates and a couple dozen Russians?

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Post by pjc50 »

Veen wrote: post #209
joshuamorton wrote: post #198

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I was discussing the exact same set of views as the parent: those espoused on "Parler, TheDonald, etc" (and also subtly objecting to the parent's proposed timeline. The_donald started self-radicalizing long before it was quarantined. In fact, it was the radicalization that took place in the Donald that led to its subsequent quarantine and removal). I certainly do take issue with extreme views on the other side, but t…

I imagine this view will not be looked on with approval, but the ethos espoused by the BLM cadre is explicitly anti-capitalist and anti-police. To many who are right of center, that looks like an extreme left-wing view that is not only tolerated by tech and social media companies, but actively promoted. It’s not all crystals and homeopathy.

Well, it is those things, but it's not explicitly pro violence, it's anti racist, and it's not based on lies or misrepresentation. In each case the inciting incidents actually happened and in many we have footage.

I think many on the right under estimate how much slack the right really do get from Twitter and YouTube. Refusing to ban bannon after he called for the execution of the FBI director (does that count as anti police?)

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Post by int_19h »

julienreszka wrote: post #114
4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?

If you mean the Pilgrims, that's not quite true. They fled from persecution in Britain, sure enough... to the Netherlands, which was very liberal by the standards of its time. And then they fled the Netherlands, because they found the place to be too liberal, and thus "morally corrupting" their community - they wanted a society where sin would be actively persecuted.

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Post by odessacubbage »

ardy42 wrote: post #72
Hermel wrote: post #68

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So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas. Btw: I think conspiracy theories are good indicators for what certain people want to believe. I personally don't want to be disconnected from these indicators.

> So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas. And they are, but if they want to do it on Twitter, Twitter gets to have its say as well. However, the conspiracy theorists don't seem to like it when Twitter exercises its rights by labeling their tweets, like in this case. As for why this matters, people who want to live in functioning democracies have a strong interest in making sure the truth pre…

>And they are

ask jim watkins or weev or dick masterson about that. alternative platforms get to exist on a small scale as long as they maintain obscurity, but as soon as old media releases a black pr scarepiece, they get Esther Aronowitz'ed pretty quickly.

>people who want to live in functioning democracies have a strong interest in making sure the truth prevails in public discourse, and that lies find the habitat difficult.

i think you will find that every conspiratorial thinker completely agrees with that sentiment.

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Post by f00zz »

dustinmoris wrote: post #118

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

And people get addicted to that thing. I remember when Twitter used to have a tweet counter on people's profiles, and for some people it was running into the tens of thousands.

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Post by [deleted] »

least wrote: post #33

When "free speech" is the primary selling point of a social media website, it tends to only attract people who feel slighted by the platform they're migrating from. Unfortunately this has the opposite effect of Parler's stated goal of being "the world's town square" since it simply isn't attractive to people with opposing views of those who did move. I think free speech is important and I think that social media plat…

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Post by dimgl »

notahacker wrote: post #158
refurb wrote: post #121

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I have to agree that big tech really messed this one up. Their attempt at regulating speech on their platforms (entirely their own right to do however they want) has resulted in both sides being pissed . I had commented on this a while ago that it was like War Games - the only way to win this game was not to play at all. The second they started being the arbitrator of speech they were guaranteed to piss people off. T…

I dont think Big Tech got every call right, but I really don't see how they please both sides here. Especially when one side, from the top down, considers everything other than sycophantic praise for its leader to be 'fake news', and the other side has some people opining that even reporting things the other side says without qualification is irresponsible journalism. If anything, I'd say hindsight makes some of thei…

I have to disagree. It’s not about pleasing both sides; it’s about being a fair and unbiased platform. And on that front I think big tech absolutely blew it this time across the board.

Our society is fractured. There is so much hate and whining online. So much righteousness and loathing. And big tech has only amplified the problem. At times they even fan the flames, what with dubious fact checkers and their “hate speech” bans.

I can’t even go on Reddit anymore. I find myself disagreeing with absolutely everyone now that the dissenting opinions have been pushed out and banned.

And it’s only getting worse.

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