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Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wernercd »

renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

"Fringe conspiracy theories" instead, you can stay on the "main sites" and get mainstream conspiracy theories about Russia and Racist White People.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by notjes »

renewiltord wrote: post #70

No one wants to spend time on the Internet listening to a bunch of randos talking about how the Jews are secretly lizard people manipulating the elections except other such crackpots. These platforms are lightning rods. Let these people go there and convince each other of their fringe conspiracy theories. Freedom of association and all that. If they will stop polluting normal places with their crackpottery we're all…

That is a nice conspiracy theory, what is your parler handle?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by augustt »

m0zg wrote: post #92
pjc50 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No videos, give me some text reporting. Which lawsuits have (a) submitted evidence and (b) not had it thrown out?

https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ Literally 10 seconds in DuckDuckGo. Notice that where lawsuits are rejected they are mostly rejected over lack of standing, and will be re-filed elsewhere with stronger evidence, or dropped outright due to insufficient evidence. This is what the legal system is for - to establish the veracity of claims, and obtain relief when due. Still more lawsuits will be filed n…

At the rate law firms are dropping Trump, those cases next week will have to be argued by Rudy himself. And god willing, he'll give us some more press conferences as a bonus.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by julienreszka »

4bpp wrote: post #66

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts ar…

America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by pjc50 »

julienreszka wrote: post #101
ponker wrote: post #17

Shouldn’t the liberals be using the app with the French name?

Fundamental human rights like free speech are also french ideals. Article 10 and 11 of the declaration of human rights. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/contenu/menu/droit-national-e...

However, the interpretation is very different from the American "everything goes" approach. France has a specific ban on Nazi symbols, for example.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by Siira »

ardy42 wrote: post #57
dannyw wrote: post #19

1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. 2. Instead of changing people’s minds (isn’t the evidence overwhelmingly conclusive that people rarely change political viewpoints?), people flock to “community bubbles” like Parler, TheDonald, etc where they feel welcome. 3. This marginalisation leads to increasing extremism; going from the li…

> 1. Tech platforms are uncomfortable with certain viewpoints expressed on their platforms and seek to limit these viewpoints. For the most part, those "viewpoints" are verifiable falsehoods, conspiracy theories, and other types of disinformation and misinformation. For instance, the recent migrations to Parler are chiefly people who want to deny the legitimate US presidential election result and spread false claims…

How are they “verifiable” falsehoods? E.g., conspiracy theories are famous for being almost always unfalsifiable. These views usually are a mix of low prior hypotheses, politically incorrect semi-truths, marketing propaganda (with few empirical assertions), and lies.

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by dustinmoris »

In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore.

I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”.

I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a look what is going and and oh my god, the more I am absent the more I see how rotten Twitter is and all of its users. Everyone is so negative, pessimistic, judgemental, sarcastic in tone, confrontational, and self righteous. People are posting so much shit it’s unbelievable how much time they waste of their lives there. One huge thread after another, people crying for attention.

Everyone just posting negative stuff to make other people feel bad, down or guilty about something. I was part of the problem too.

Lots of this:

> “When I was a kid, I once had to work at my uncle’s shop. Let me tell you about . A thread...”

I don’t know what Parler is, but Twitter is THE WORST of social media and if Parler is an alternative then it’s going to be equally bad!

Re: Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Facebook and Twitter

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Post by wernercd »

ardy42 wrote: post #72
Hermel wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas. Btw: I think conspiracy theories are good indicators for what certain people want to believe. I personally don't want to be disconnected from these indicators.

> So what? People should be free to discuss stupid and wrong ideas. And they are, but if they want to do it on Twitter, Twitter gets to have its say as well. However, the conspiracy theorists don't seem to like it when Twitter exercises its rights by labeling their tweets, like in this case. As for why this matters, people who want to live in functioning democracies have a strong interest in making sure the truth pre…

"Twitter gets to have it's say" Free speech is more than just a law... it's an idea and a philosophy.

Part of making sure "truth prevails" is having open discourse about topics. That involves people with "Wrong" ideas the ability to talk.

When platforms like Facebook and Twitter become the arbiter of what's "right"? Then people will leave those platforms because lawfully they have the "right" to censor their platform... but people WILL talk about it elsewhere.

Facebook/Twitter may win this "battle" by purposefully influencing an election by hiding disinformation they disagree with (while allowing disinformation they are okay with)... but they'll lose the war as other platforms gain momentum and legitimacy.

The internet will route itself around the censorship.

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Post by AntiImperialist »

ThePreacherMan wrote: post #53

Are there any good information how advertising works in this network? From my experience its easy to convince "free-speechers" to buy things - think gold investment, self defense equipment, prepping, everything with the US flag colours on it.

Yeah, cheap things with huge value. But if you want to sell very expensive but completely worthless, if not downright harmful things, you need to go to the other side.
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