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Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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In the late 90s, my dad was really mad about me experimenting with Linux on my personal computer which I built from parts bought with money earned at a summer job. It was kinda hilarious. He has zero involvement with microsoft, very little knowledge of computers, and tended to be mildly anti-establishment... and since it was 100% my computer, it had zero impact on his life. It really felt like a "my role is to crack…

As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to…

This is a shitpost and/or copypasta, right? Maybe it's intended as a "Ha, look at the ridiculous sorts of FUD that folks posted about this stuff back in the day" but its tone is earnest enough--even with tons of obvious flags like the ones I mention below--that I'd encourage you to seriously consider adding a disclaimer of some kind.

Some of the "tells": The whole thing has a "Chick Tract" vibe to it (personal, relatable story but with oddly specific details segueing into actions you can take for the good of your soul/safety of your family). Most of the items are obviously and patently false to anyone with any kind of domain knowledge, but are phrased earnestly enough that someone who assumes the writer is acting in good faith may not realize this. For example, number 4 suggesting that Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon, Neuromancer, etc. are "hacking manuals" or number 5's conflation of Disk Operating System DOS with Denial Of Service DOS.

It would be great if by this point in time everyone who saw something like this would realize it was either in jest or bad faith, but I suspect that computer illiteracy--and the number of folks who would take this at face value--is far higher than most of us realize (then again, maybe I'm just being overly cynical. I hope so; that's the sort of thing that I'd love to be wrong about! ;-) )

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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post #207

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There's a Pacific Ocean between "they're stupid little humans" and "they can have free roam of the Internet and make their own decisions about content." Look how effectively antivaxxers, flat-earthers, and QAnon have infected the minds of adults, and now imagine the effects on a mind 5x as blank-slate/open to suggestion.

Have you thought that maybe if those people were given the tools to distinguish right from wrong they wouldn't have ended up believing that crap? You have really no proof about the relationship of parenting style to conspiracy theory believers.

I mean it's obvious that I can't convince you that a generic 10 year old shouldn't be left to roam the Internet freely, so I'll refrain from trying further.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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My house rules (I have 3 kids): - do whatever you want on your devices, but you break it - you fix it (your brothers might help you but it’s up to them); - on school days, all internet ends at 10pm, but you are welcome to hack into my firewall; - everything you post online is public and saved forever; - use generated passwords and 1password for all passwords and all password recovery questions.

This is definitely the most reasonable response in this thread.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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When I was growing up, my parents adhered to Douglas Adams' rules of technology (and I think many still do today): 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after…

It's a good sound bite but I don't think it really reflects the reality of parenting. I know reality is that helicopter parents have taken over but I'm a light-touch parent. To me parents helicopter because they're bad at politics. When my daughter had trouble with boys or tried drugs I knew immediately because I've never given her something I couldn't compromise at an unnoticeable level. On the other hand, I've never used this to force her hand.

If I know my daughter is being bullied or having trouble with a boy I wait for her to come to me or I make unassuming statements that give her the opportunity to decide if she thinks she should open up to me. Obviously if she got into something like meth the situation would be different, but in the case of things like weed or vaping I focus on topics that let her feel in control of her life because the point of parenting is imo to teach our kids to handle themselves when we're gone. For example, when she went through a weed phase I focused on noticing her grades had been slipping while stressing that I wouldn't be worrying if that hadn't been the case. The result is that she still smokes weed sometimes with friends but she's made a point to bring her grades up because she thinks it'll curb my concerns and convince me to give her more agency (which I do). To her credit, she seems to genuinely be trying to balance her peer group against the pressures I push on her and so as long as I don't think she's on a path that's destructive in the long haul I try to respect her choices.

Focusing on things like social trends or teen-tech is the wrong angle imo because the truth is that money is freedom and money comes from carefully considered action. Kids make mistakes and get hurt in hard ways sometimes, I hate that but it's the world we live in. So as long as my kid is chasing money and grades I don't mind giving her the freedom to make mistakes and get hurt (even if I hate it).

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Consoles are consumption devices. PCs are creation devices.

Nintendo games with 4+ player multiplayer is actually a great time with family and friends. In general I think Nintendo makes social games that are intended for the living room, which is harder to find on the other consoles, and almost impossible on PC. I say this as someone who mainly plays on PC and has LAN parties at home. Consoles can be social devices. PCs can be isolating devices.

There are social games on PCs, meant to be played by a bunch of people with controllers, available on e.g. Steam. The ones I know of tend to be more teen-and-older oriented in their themes and levels of violence though.

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Kid has Linux, every programming lang available, Minecraft, ebooks, wikipedia, educational websites, etc. We live a block from the library. No shortage of quality learning materials basically. Perhaps ya'll've misread the list. It's a preference for quality over quantity.

> Kid has Linux, every programming lang available, Minecraft, ebooks, wikipedia, educational websites, etc. We live a block from the library. No shortage of quality learning materials basically. Perhaps ya'll've misread the list. Yes - because every kid wants to program purely for the fun of it. There's never an end goal in mind - they just learn functional programming for the fun of it! They all enjoy finding ways t…

There's a place for kids who aren't into that shit.

It's called "Outside".

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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post #112

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Fair enough, obviously OP has the right to parent as he pleases. I think that my tinkering intuition has led me to many of my professional successes, and this talent was garnered by experimentation with computers as a child.

No disagreement from me. Without gaming on Windows systems I would may never gotten involved in programming in the first place. I'm currently watching what looked like my nephews Roblox/Minecraft addiction turn into some real amazing content creation utilizing youtube as a very real learning source.

> Without gaming on Windows systems I would may never gotten involved in programming in the first place.

I'm just the opposite. My first computer was a Commodore VIC-20 -- with no games! As far as I was concerned, all it could do was BASIC. It did come with a helpful instruction guide to teach you the rudiments of programming.

I got later systems and games for them later on, but my experience with the VIC-20 put this bias in my head that computers were meant for programming, like pencils were meant for writing with. If it is difficult or impossible to program a digital device, I have trouble considering it a computer at all (even though it technically may be).

Re: Tech my dad banned in our house when I was a kid

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Rules for my kids: If you're over 10 years of age you should know what your limits are. I'm always going to be here for advice and help to get yourself back up from an accident or something that went wrong. I won't block content. I won't demand access to their phones. I won't shame them in any way. I'm also planning on being sex and body positive. Nudity isn't inherently sexual and shame is a social construct. Nothin…

> If you're over 10 years of age you should know what your limits are. Propositionally knowing things is very different than being able to make the right decisions when the moment comes. A 10 year old neither has the fully developed prefrontal cortex of a 25 old nor the required self knowledge. They are not even in puberty and half of their emotions, desires, drives wouldn't have come online yet. They will depend an…

> there are legitimate instances where shame is deserved

Can you elaborate?

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