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I fear App Review is getting too powerful (2015) [pdf]

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Post by arvinsim »

vmception wrote: post #45

> I fear App Review is getting too powerful. It's no longer about keeping iDevices safe or protecting the user's best Its amazing that people right here on hackernews, 5 years later, actually think it is about keeping iDevices safe when they see these legislature and regulatory movements against Apple I’m glad to see your email now

The line between company and customers is now blurred due to a lot of people being shareholders.

As such, the feedback from customers to companies that is part of the “invisible handle of the market” is now distorted.

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Post by glenstein »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #143
overeater wrote: post #37

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My sympathies. That's a really sad story. I don't know if it's any consolation that it was at least discussed among the executives. I don't know why you originally eschewed the web. I've developed on closed platforms in the past: Facebook (when Facebook games like Farmville and Mafia Wars were crazy hot), Silverlight, OpenSocial, Twitter, and now Google Apps Script. My work is always worthless in 2-3 years, and what…

Silverlight? What did you use it for? The only public Silerlight code I ever came across was Netflix’s client for Windows Internet Explorer around 2010-2012, then everyone switched to Widevine.

If I'm not mistaken I think MLB Advanced Media used it for a time, as well.

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Post by ssalazar »

tomc1985 wrote: post #116
overeater wrote: post #37

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My sympathies. That's a really sad story. I don't know if it's any consolation that it was at least discussed among the executives. I don't know why you originally eschewed the web. I've developed on closed platforms in the past: Facebook (when Facebook games like Farmville and Mafia Wars were crazy hot), Silverlight, OpenSocial, Twitter, and now Google Apps Script. My work is always worthless in 2-3 years, and what…

Honestly, making fun of old platforms like the web (which isn't even that old) suggests that the writer is the kind of wide-eyed business huckster playing into Americans' cultural affinity for new tech, and folks like that are a huge chunk of the reason why we have so much technology churn today Old, mature technology is a treasure. Not something to make fun of

Web development absolutely epitomizes this same technology churn. Regardless if one personally sticks to older standards but its impossible to ignore the large section of commercial web applications that are just as much on the tech churn treadmill.

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Post by detaro »

scarface74 wrote: post #201
detaro wrote: post #198

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What does the parent comment have to do with payments? What are they "trying to do" that's relevant to that quote?

He linked to his initial complaint about why Apple rejected his app. My app has been repeatedly rejected because I do not offer free in-app trials (but offer money-back guarantee on my website) and also do not offer in-apps purchases. I asked if I offered in-app purchases, would the app be approved? No, since I offer 3-day money-back guarantee on website-based purchses, I must ALSO offer a free trial in the app. But…

Now I get what happened...

Look again: He (/u/egocentric) linked to his HN submission of his twitter thread about his experience. What you are referencing is the top comment in the that discussion, by someone else (/u/TedDoesntTalk) talking about their app. So your (understandable) ire is directed at the wrong person here.

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Post by scarface74 »

tlogan wrote: post #208
scarface74 wrote: post #195

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We also see government “movements” against them Post Office, voting, the right to have encrypted messages, net neutrality, citizens being able to film police misconduct, etc. So am I suppose to trust the government?

The government is not some imaginary person in the sky: it is me and you. You can influence it - but you cannot influence Apple. Of course, being involved in government / politic is hard and takes time. You cannot change things by posting on internet forums. I'm trying to be involved in politic on local, state and federal level. And here are some hints if you are in interested: - Call a member of congress. Try to get…

How much good will that do when the government doesn’t represent the people, by design? If you live in California or Texas, you have the same number of Senators as someone who lives in Rhode Island.

Any power given to the government is worse than the power of a corporation. No matter what side of the aisle you’re on, you should be way more concerned about the power of the government. Have you seen what the government can do with its power?

How effective was the consent decree in the MS case two decades ago?

Apple can keep me from side loading apps. The government can literally reach into my bank account and take my money without any kind of trial through civil forfeiture and imminent domain. They can take away my liberty. They can actually compel me to do something.

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Post by salawat »

The first time I read the guidance documents for branding and submission of apps to the Apple and Google App stores, I had to look around and ask myself why no one else was calling it out as anti-competitive. I know what a free market looks like, I also know when onerous requirements are being place on something just to get in. Both companies have done the same things. When you see as many companies acquired and killed as has gone on in the last 20 years or so it becomes pretty damn obvious what is going on. It's just amazing it has taken this long for traction to develop in that regard.

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Post by hnick »

RonanTheGrey wrote: post #185
halfFact wrote: post #176

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Can't you install chrome?

All browsers on iOS use a Safari webview. iOS does not allow the installation of competing browser engines. So, no. It may be called chrome, it may look like chrome, but it is Safari, with all the limitations that implies (and a few extra limitations as a webview, just for good measure). Apple does this on purpose to push people to use native apps, and then they lock down access to a market of 1 billion people to the…

And even Microsoft let people install browsers that didn't use IE as a base.

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Post by fomine3 »

zepto wrote: post #181
ponker wrote: post #171

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If the app review process is supposed to ban objectionable content then why is Netflix allowed? What stops Netflix from putting bestiality porn on their service (and thus onto iDevices) any more than Microsoft putting objectionable games on xCloud? Simply, because Apple knows that iPhones are commercially unviable without Netflix. Don’t accept the bullshit Apple offers for the App Store. It has always been about the…

It’s not just about objectionable content - it’s also about fraud. Apps can be used for fraud in ways that video cannot.

So Safari is top attack surface, why don't they ban Safari?
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