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Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by chasd00 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #31

Damn work has always been the easiest part in life, I mean as long as I can find one. And once I get a job I won't worry too much about bills. But infection and school...I have no control over them. They control me, and definitely I'm going to be more worried about them. Same for kids and family.

people who need or are use to being in control are having a very tough time.

My mother-in-law is high strung, controlling, and anxious pretty much 24x7 (I still love her (family is family)). There are times when talking to her is like talking to a stranger because she gets so wound up and out there.

We have family friends that are losing their minds. Some, seemingly normal, friends are falling deep into the conspiracy mess others are divorcing or making odd decisions. One refinanced their house to buy a Lotus, 3 small kids + infant and he just shows up one day with a Lotus...

the mental effects and relationship stress because of Covid19 are pretty crazy too.

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Post by dmurray »

thomaslord wrote: post #161
WalterBright wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they? Nobody seems to care much about the ordinary flu, though lots still die from it. Hospital acquired infections are a major cause of death, but few worry about that. The most likely causes of death for children are drowning and car accidents, but people worry far more about terrorist incidents. And on it goes.

Do you believe that the flu poses a more significant risk than COVID-19, despite being both more contagious and more deadly?

Well, I'm going to die of something, but surely I'm more likely to die of the flu. You can do weird things with statistics.

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Post by HumblyTossed »

solaceb wrote: post #207
cmurf wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't only the government, it's a significant minority of the population nationally; and at a local level it can approach significant majority. A Marion County Florida Sheriff ordered that staff and visitors to his office cannot wear masks. That order is uncivilized behavior. The state governor should have removed him from power. People speeding on roads get sanctioned more, for being less of a menace to society.…

You've touched on exactly what worries me most about the Trump era. Somehow, unnecessary combativeness and flamboyant disagreement has come to be valued in and of itself. As if somehow anyone wins by acting childishly.

> As if somehow anyone wins by acting childishly.

Certain people apparently do.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by latchkey »

rwcarlsen wrote: post #211
thex10 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of this just speaks to how problematic it is for a society to rely on (poorly-funded and unevenly-resourced) schools alone for universal childcare, alleviating child hunger, ensuring safety from awful households, and other concerns that could have been addressed elsewhere (this is all orthogonal to the effects of COVID).

Yes - in some imaginary world it might be easier to close schools without adverse consequences. But we don't live in that world. We live in one where closing schools has lots of bad short and long term consequences. So acknowledging that we must decide between existing alternatives - not between fictitious ones - what do people want? Adverse affects of closing schools for a year on 56 million elementary, middle, and…

How many kids need to die from attending school and catching covid? For me, 1 is enough and we are already there.

How many children will bring it home to adults? For me, 1 is enough and we are already there.

On the other hand, not all 56 million kids will end up ruined if education is delayed a bit or parents need to come up with new and creative ways to educate their children safely.

You're basically arguing to 'stay the course' during a global pandemic and fact is that isn't workable either.

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Post by HumblyTossed »

cmurf wrote: post #213
departure wrote: post #178

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>Remaining local eviction moratoriums will expire in the next few months, although court backlogs will probably provide an additional time buffer. Only if you're lucky enough to live in one of the progressive states, Louisiana has already started evicting people. In Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has already released documents saying that local governments can't stop or delay evictions.

Tennessee just made it a Class E felony to camp outside the capitol. Protesters have been doing this for months but it would apply to squelch protesters and homeless alike. Up to six years prison, and loss of voting rights, is the penalty.

Republicans hate the poor and yet are so willing to create more of them.

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Post by gibrown »

makomk wrote: post #199
spaced-out wrote: post #135

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If you care about the economy, the best thing we (the US) can do is follow the lead of other countries that have gotten this under control with evidence-based measures, and push the government to provide support to those in need, so the economy can bounce back quickly, rather than sliding into depression.

Evidence from other countries suggests that there is no way of getting this under control and returning to normal, and it wouldn't save the economy anyway. Europe is seeing a resurgence of cases, previous success story South Korea is stuck unable to reopen without a similar resurgence and with no path to eliminating the disease, even the latest remaining success stories Vietnam and New Zealand discovered the hard way…

The “resurgence of cases” in these other countries are less than 1 per 10k. Florida has been having 30-40 per 10k.

It isn’t binary. All economies will take a hit. But if the US was doing 30x better then the economy would be better.

And if there is any seasonality at all the Fall could get quite a lot worse and make the economy worse than it already is.

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Post by dmch-1 »

roland35 wrote: post #19

Yeah this is definitely not surprising to the least! Even if I was laid off I am more worried about my children having long term health effects (or worse) than missing a few bills, and that is before considering how flexible lenders are claiming to be (I've gotten emails from all my major bills about covid related help they can provide). I am just so confused why some people are acting like kids are a different speci…

Covid-19 might be a major challenge for the society, but individual risks for younger people wothout health issues are still small, at least based on the knowledge we currently have. I am afraid the attitudes described in the article are more due to uninformedness and normal parental anxiousness than anything rational.

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Post by rwcarlsen »

latchkey wrote: post #224
rwcarlsen wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - in some imaginary world it might be easier to close schools without adverse consequences. But we don't live in that world. We live in one where closing schools has lots of bad short and long term consequences. So acknowledging that we must decide between existing alternatives - not between fictitious ones - what do people want? Adverse affects of closing schools for a year on 56 million elementary, middle, and…

How many kids need to die from attending school and catching covid? For me, 1 is enough and we are already there. How many children will bring it home to adults? For me, 1 is enough and we are already there. On the other hand, not all 56 million kids will end up ruined if education is delayed a bit or parents need to come up with new and creative ways to educate their children safely. You're basically arguing to 'sta…

Everybody has a cost above which they are not willing to pay to save someone's life. If you can't admit that, then there is nothing we have to discuss.

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Post by heylook »

rwcarlsen wrote: post #189
thex10 wrote: post #176

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> And I am absolutely willing to sacrifice possibly a few years of extra time I could have my grandparents around for that. My grandparents are also happy to make that sacrifice so their grandchildren ... Sigh. I can’t believe this needs to be spelled out for you and your ilk. There are other people out there beyond your grandparents. Regardless of how you and they personally feel — I don’t want to die just because y…

But how many people? Should 10,000 kids lose school and all the problems that can avalanche into for the future to save 1 year of 1 life of one person who already has degrading health?

I would happily trade away:

- 1 whole semester of in-person instruction for all 56 million school-aged kids in the US

In exchange for:

- The cumulative remaining years of the 50k(?), 100k(?), possibly even more that will die directly from the virus in the US alone

- Freedom from long-term health issues caused by the virus for another several hundred thousand at minimum who won't die but also won't get "the flu"

Now your turn. What is your number?

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Post by leereeves »

NationalPark wrote: post #203
bezmenov wrote: post #184

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Yes, we’d be much better off with the currently sidelined government that has suggested the evidence should be ignored as long as you’re protesting civil rights.

People were pretty worried about this, but so far there isn't any evidence that protests caused spikes in case numbers. Obviously there's a lot about the virus we don't know or can't fully explain, but the prevailing explanation is that the combination of widespread mask usage by protesters, quarantining by would-be protesters who know they've been exposed, and being primarily outdoors prevented transmission.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

PolitiFact tried to examine claims from the LA mayor and health director that: "it’s highly likely given the increased numbers that we’re seeing that some of this is in fact people who may have been in a crowded situation at one of the protests where there was spread."

They concluded:

> there’s not enough data to draw any definitive conclusions ...

> Medical experts say the protests likely contributed somewhat, but so did family gatherings [and] the reopening of businesses

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/how-much-did-...

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