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Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by Elof »

oxymoran wrote: post #123

I can’t believe how dismissive people are about people who are worried about their finances during this. So many false equivalencies being made about bankruptcy being preferable to death. I am not one of these people that is cavalier about COVID, it’s a real danger and the long term damage to the body is just being discovered. But we all know for sure what the long term health effects of poverty are. Whether you like…

You can also be worried about both but more worried about one or the other. I'm a parent who was laid off because of COVID and I'm more worried about my kids health than the economy or my ability to get another job. That doesn't mean I'm not worried about the economy or trying to minimize the impact a bad economy will have on society/individuals.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by nashalo_nighly »

screye wrote: post #169

I am going to sound like a looney, but bear with me. The mortality rate of Covid isn't that much higher than the seasonal flu for those aged under 50. (most children or their parents). It is far lower for those under the age of 30. Assuming 200k Americans have died from Covid, current stats put the number of deaths under the age of 18 at 70/200k and 18-44 at 6k/200k. In other words, you child is more likely to die of…

I don’t think comparing only mortality rates is accurate. I can’t say « you are much more likely to die by falling into a volcano than to die because of the flu » just because the mortality rate of falling into a volcano is much higher than getting the flu.

I think one also has to factor in the likelihood of the event, in the case of diseases we might look at how contagious the diseases are.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by Elof »

eirini1 wrote: post #179
oxymoran wrote: post #123

I can’t believe how dismissive people are about people who are worried about their finances during this. So many false equivalencies being made about bankruptcy being preferable to death. I am not one of these people that is cavalier about COVID, it’s a real danger and the long term damage to the body is just being discovered. But we all know for sure what the long term health effects of poverty are. Whether you like…

the problem is not people who are worried about their finances - that is understandable. The problem is people who want to put finances over covid, mostly because covid requires certain measures in order to be eradicated (objectively) whereas an economy can (at the very least temporarily) be switched to a mode where people do not have to worry about their finances (such as UBI or a command economy). What makes at lea…

100% this. The economy isn't part of nature. In it's current form it's a relatively new social construct that honestly doesn't seem to be working very well for a lot of the global population

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by bezmenov »

jacquesm wrote: post #165
spaced-out wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you care about the economy, the best thing we (the US) can do is follow the lead of other countries that have gotten this under control with evidence-based measures, and push the government to provide support to those in need, so the economy can bounce back quickly, rather than sliding into depression.

You currently do not have a government that will be swayed by evidence.

Yes, we’d be much better off with the currently sidelined government that has suggested the evidence should be ignored as long as you’re protesting civil rights.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by eirini1 »

matz1 wrote: post #128
thomaslord wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The risk due to lockdown are greater than this virus. I'm gonna have to ask for a source on this, because every single legitimate source I can find says the exact opposite.

Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. All this for what ? for the virus that for vast majority of people if you do get infected you are not going to be sick (asymptompatic) or only have mild symptom and less than 1% death rate ?

>Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc.

a lockdown doesn't inherently cause this. These things are caused by a badly implemented lockdown, a lockdown that doesn't have measures in place to make sure people don't go bankrupt, measures to make sure people's mental health doesn't deteriorate etc.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by fiblye »

screye wrote: post #169

I am going to sound like a looney, but bear with me. The mortality rate of Covid isn't that much higher than the seasonal flu for those aged under 50. (most children or their parents). It is far lower for those under the age of 30. Assuming 200k Americans have died from Covid, current stats put the number of deaths under the age of 18 at 70/200k and 18-44 at 6k/200k. In other words, you child is more likely to die of…

I think the big concern for young people is the lingering effects. Once people get a flu and recover, they’re back to normal. People with COVID are struggling to breathe months later and heart damage is being reported.

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Post by jacquesm »

matz1 wrote: post #104
Vvector wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, a lock down isn't required to stop the virus.

agree, i wish government around the world would think the same.

At a guess, you don't have kids.

Re: Parents are 5X as Worried about Infection and School than Work and Paying Bills

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Post by mnm1 »

rwcarlsen wrote: post #52

I've personally heard from several tens of parents that they are primarily worried about the economic and social affects of all these so-called safety measures governments and communities are taking. Just because it's easy to measure cases and deaths and hard to measure lost human connection, depression, children being left in environments of neglect, delayed/paused innovation and economic growth, etc. doesn't mean t…

The rest of society is certainly not happy to make that sacrifice for your extreme selfishness and callousness and frankly, we shouldn't have to die because your kids might grow up fearful. What a selfish, disgusting attitude.

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Post by rwcarlsen »

thex10 wrote: post #176
rwcarlsen wrote: post #52

I've personally heard from several tens of parents that they are primarily worried about the economic and social affects of all these so-called safety measures governments and communities are taking. Just because it's easy to measure cases and deaths and hard to measure lost human connection, depression, children being left in environments of neglect, delayed/paused innovation and economic growth, etc. doesn't mean t…

> And I am absolutely willing to sacrifice possibly a few years of extra time I could have my grandparents around for that. My grandparents are also happy to make that sacrifice so their grandchildren ... Sigh. I can’t believe this needs to be spelled out for you and your ilk. There are other people out there beyond your grandparents. Regardless of how you and they personally feel — I don’t want to die just because y…

But how many people? Should 10,000 kids lose school and all the problems that can avalanche into for the future to save 1 year of 1 life of one person who already has degrading health?

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Post by PeterisP »

oxymoran wrote: post #123

I can’t believe how dismissive people are about people who are worried about their finances during this. So many false equivalencies being made about bankruptcy being preferable to death. I am not one of these people that is cavalier about COVID, it’s a real danger and the long term damage to the body is just being discovered. But we all know for sure what the long term health effects of poverty are. Whether you like…

It feels like that this is an issue where the problem is looking at the averages, which are meaningless here.

We have a bunch of people who are rightfully very worried about their finances, but we also have very many people who are quite certain that their finances are going to be okay while other people will get kicked in the nuts by the downturn resulting in poverty and bankruptcies, so they have other priorities that they are worrying about - such as infection and schooling.

If 1 in 5 people can't pay their mortgage, that's an economic catastrophe - but even if such a catastrophe is upcoming it makes all sense if the other 4 in 5 people wouldn't be worried about paying their mortgage.

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