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The NBA bans customers from putting ‘freehongkong’ on customized league jerseys

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Post by theseadroid »

kodablah wrote: post #213
theseadroid wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a party member btw. Am Chinese. I will follow up here on any questions you(qbaqbaqba or anyone else) have though. and if you are interested here's my thought on the whole topic in one piece: https://medium.com/@theseadroid/the-china-problem-ce0c1a0e57...

I read and appreciate that blog post. Yet to address any China problems without recognizing any Chinese government fallacies means we're not even having a complete discussion here. I acknowledge the fear of including them, but one's stance on government policies is required to really get their thought on the whole topic.

Thanks. I dont fear Chinese government actually and I think it is bad. It's just we have a lot difference on where it is the worst part and how to make it better and by how much time. Truth to be told there are so many solutions proposed by smart ppl but I dont see many that wont hurt regular Chinese ppl more than what the current regime is doing :(

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Post by supernova87a »

Hnaomyiph wrote: post #158
supernova87a wrote: post #54

You know, people are absolutely free to buy the shirt and stencil on any sentiment or message they feel. Or is speech only meaningful if you added it to your shopping cart and it went through the pipes of commerce? Kind of exactly what people are upset about in the first place?

People are upset because more and more companies are ceding to a government which is actively committing genocide, suppresses ideas and free speech of its own people, all so that these companies can make more money.

How about not buying the shirt then, instead of complaining about the message you're helping to fund while buying it?

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Post by jdm2212 »

Dahoon wrote: post #152
jdm2212 wrote: post #140

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China's great if you have a decent amount of money -- labor's cheap, so all sorts of stuff (food prep, transportation, delivery services) that's heavy on labor is dirt cheap in China even if it's unaffordable in the West. But racism... speaking as a rich white guy who was treated as nicely as you'd generally expect, even I could tell it wouldn't be fun to be an ethnic minority there. Chinese ethnic minorities visitin…

>China's great if you have a decent amount of money Besides Scandinavian countries where the social security net is amazing comparably, isn't that the same in most of the world? I'm not sure being poor in China is worse than elsewhere?

In most of the developed world, even poor people's labor is expensive enough that it's rarely affordable to just pay someone else to do something for you exclusively (e.g., private chef, private driver). In China, to say nothing of India, that's another story. There, you have professional class types making Western salaries but also a billion-odd people living on dollars a day which allows an aristocratic lifestyle that would be unimaginable in the developed world.

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Post by nmfisher »

thedrbrian wrote: post #126
throwaway2474 wrote: post #117

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Your comment is about 15 years out of date. There isn’t much that is “excellent beyond what is available” in China anymore. This type of thinking is why western foreign policy continues to get China totally wrong. Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience.

>Chinese people who study abroad are more often confused by the things missing in the west than they are liberated in the way you describe, in my experience. As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing?

> As someone who has never been to China could you list some things the West is missing?

It's been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but it's worth reiterating - safety.

China is one of the safest places in the world. I literally never had a single concern for the physical well-being of my mother, my wife, anyone - no matter what part of the city they were in, or what time of the day.

Worth mentioning that I've found Singapore to be the same.

Contrast that with life in Australia (Melbourne), where I was constantly on edge even in the early evening, I'd worry every time my wife was out late, not to mention the instances where I was physically threatened or assaulted.

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Post by theseadroid »

whoevercares wrote: post #203
coupdejarnac wrote: post #198

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While there is some truth in what you say, many overseas Chinese get their news from Chinese sources even if they have access to better options. It creates a vicious cycle of cognitive dissonance.

Well I haven’t read Chinese news sources for many years. Speak of cognitive dissonance, Fox News and sometimes CNN are among the worst few media I’ve ever seen

Teling the truth and getting downvoted. I'm Chinese too. Wanna connect (email in my profile)?

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Post by yumraj »

mywittyname wrote: post #51
yumraj wrote: post #21

How about: Free China of CCP That’ll take care of all the underlying issues.

It won't change the minds of the millions of people in political power in China. Lots of Chinese feel quite strongly that the Taiwan/Tibet/Hong Kong claims are legitimate and that the international community is attacking China. I guess it would be like if the US was forced to cede Texas back to Mexico because they lost a war. Most Americans, regardless of political party, would hold the opinion that Texas is still Am…

Well we have to believe that a democratic open government would be more reasonable in its internal and external policies, unless we’re saying that when it comes to China all hope is lost.

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Post by jcytong »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #211

its funny to me that you can put "fuck the police" on NBA jersey but you can't put "freehongkong". its kinda double standards, isn't it? NBA really want that Chinese market. i find it interesting that Western corporation is willing to abandoned the western values they championed for money or rather i guess Corporation don't give a fuck about anything as long as they make money.

That seem to be the strategy of the CCP. Blocking foreign influence (Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc...) with the Great Firewall while taking advantage of the West's openness to promote their own platform TikTok, WeChat, ...

That allows them to promote their ideologies and export "The China Way" to becoming the next World's superpower without changing. Great way to take advantage of the asymmetry to have your cake and eat it too.

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Post by zbrozek »

theseadroid wrote: post #207
everettp wrote: post #204

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If your only examples are North America and China, it may feel like there is a direct tradeoff between safety and privacy. But that would be a false analysis: most Western nations have far lower rates of violent crime than the United States, without the need for omnipresent surveillance.

maybe. I've lived in Europe for a bit and it's a bit better but not to the point I feel safe everywhere during the night in cities(but at least I dont live in fear of getting hit by cars that much). And other than China I've mentioned I feel safe during night in Japan, Taiwan, or Singapore. Again I'm not sourcing any data here because it's just my personal experience of whether I'd feel safe in cities during night.

I'm often curious what makes someone feel safe or not. I've never felt unsafe wandering around (including in lots of "sketchy" places), but I suspect a lot of that is an accident of my genetics. I just don't look like an easy person to victimize.

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Post by theseadroid »

whoevercares wrote: post #219
CrazyStat wrote: post #209

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> Can you blame Chinese citizens for preferring the stability and prosperity of their own regime, when they have the current disarray of American democracy to compare to? Let's ask the Chinese citizens in Hong Kong how they feel about the stability and prosperity of their regime, shall we?

Great idea. Let’s ask the business owners and working class citizens. They don’t want the freedoms “mobs” for sure

and to back you up:

>A strike was intended to open a new arena of resistance, but organizers said only 8,943 union members participated in a city-wide poll, falling short of the 60,000 threshold to go ahead, even as 95% of the votes were in favor. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests/hong-ko...

HK protestors have failed to organize any long term strike for a while now. If the majority of HKers strike, that will deal a real blow to the government.

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Post by whoevercares »

theseadroid wrote: post #225
whoevercares wrote: post #203

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Well I haven’t read Chinese news sources for many years. Speak of cognitive dissonance, Fox News and sometimes CNN are among the worst few media I’ve ever seen

Teling the truth and getting downvoted. I'm Chinese too. Wanna connect (email in my profile)?

Too much risks in US to do so right now in this climate. I just want to pay my taxes and remain a good keyboard man with slightly different opinions.

See Chineses self censored.

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