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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

catalogia wrote: post #135
Veen wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> yet now it is being taught in some public schools That's the real problem. Newspapers get things wrong all the time. There's a conversation, people put forth their views pro and anti, and everyone makes up their own mind. But making a newspaper story that has come under fire from a huge number of respectable scholars part of the school curriculum for children is nakedly ideological.

I think/hope everybody recognizes that mistakes happen. In this particular case I think it goes beyond a mere mistake. Some points to consider: The 1619 Project refers not merely to "a newspaper story". Originally it was 100 page magazine with ten essays, a variety of poems and stories, etc. It has since become an ongoing multimedia project. Secondly, as mentioned above, the NYTs has not been particularly responsive…

> In this particular case I think it goes beyond a mere mistake.

I think that supports another point made above:

>At a certain point, when the gaffes all line up in one direction, one might reasonably suspect an underlying motive.

The NYT seems to be beyond "gaffes" at this point, and be entirely focused on promoting their ideology.

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Post by humanrebar »

lwb wrote: post #201
tech-historian wrote: post #64

Serious questions: Are the people that work at Facebook proud to work there? What is morale like inside that place? When someone asks you what you do, and you say "I work for Facebook," what is their typical reaction? Not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious how these perceptions/feelings might have changed over the past few years.

I am. Morale is good, took a minor hiccup recently but has pretty much recovered by now. When I tell everyday folk that I work for Facebook, the reaction is usually, "wow, cool!" and if they're tech minded, they might ask a few questions about the tech stack we use. Most people at Facebook believe that FB is good for the world, Zuck is a good leader, and that we are working to address dubious ethical decisions made i…

I wouldn't trash someone's employer in a mixed social setting. That would be rude, including on social media, regardless of what common behavior is these days.

I might have interesting questions for a sibling or close friend though, assuming we had that kind of relationship.

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Post by three_seagrass »

skewart wrote: post #123
salimmadjd wrote: post #108

Am I the only person who has a problem with this headline, "Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing" am I overreacting here or others feel the same? For me at the face of it's not incorrect, but it feels to me a certain deliberate wordsmithing is used to create a sense of growing momentum. What we don't know if these advertisers represent 1%, more or less than x% of Facebook's ad revenue. I do understand FB will not pro…

What’s more, the NY Times has a strong business interest in convincing advertisers not to advertise on Facebook. I’m a bit skeptical of anything they publish these days about Facebook, Google, and other companies that could potentially threaten their access to clicks, just given their financial incentives to weaken these companies as much as possible.

>the NY Times has a strong business interest in convincing advertisers not to advertise on Facebook.

How so?

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Post by Ericson2314 »

ingsoc79 wrote: post #203
adamsea wrote: post #186

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What exactly is the propaganda part? Can you provide a specific example, so folks have something concrete to agree or disagree with? And, do you mean with their news reporting, as opposed to their editorials?

While the NYT has always had its share of bias claims, since Trump's election it appears that even the facade of balanced reporting is taking a back seat to their editorial agenda. You have editorialized headlines[1] that incorporate common liberal phrases to invoke outrage. Other "How to Raise an Anti-Racist Kid" Any story that mentions Trump will have a negative headline, even mundane stories about disaster declara…

It's not even leftist. The NYT confuses reality with semi-classical liberalism. Trump is allowed to push their buttons (and, their readers') in the news articles. But they haven't grappled with the illiberalism of the average American, nor is there editorializing really for anything. It's purely reactionary.

There was a John Stuart interview recently where I was pleasently surprised he got this. NYT now calls lies lies, but they get so titillated from this departure from both-siderism they forgot they

a) Most people are used to being lied and gaslighted by authority constantly and no longer have that emotional reaction

b) the emotional reaction to lieing caused them to stop their analysis from going deeper, so we miss out on a complete picture of the reality vs the message

c) the emoting is the exact biases tone the both-siderism was supposed to prevent. The calling a lie a lie bit was something we all wanted because it wasn't actually in conflict with objective reporting.

Basically, they sound like they are miming the intercept's voice without the coherent ideology that makes reading the Intercept worth it.

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Post by fullshark »

swebs wrote: post #185
salimmadjd wrote: post #108

Am I the only person who has a problem with this headline, "Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing" am I overreacting here or others feel the same? For me at the face of it's not incorrect, but it feels to me a certain deliberate wordsmithing is used to create a sense of growing momentum. What we don't know if these advertisers represent 1%, more or less than x% of Facebook's ad revenue. I do understand FB will not pro…

I think the 2016 election broke the NY Times. They shifted from a mostly neutral, reputable news source to quasi-propaganda fairly quickly.

I think we've realized there is no such thing as a mostly neutral, reputable news source. What you choose to report on, what you choose to ignore, and what language you use to frame that information are editorial choices and they cannot be totally free from bias.

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Post by three_seagrass »

toss1 wrote: post #176
klyrs wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has a right to free speech. They can moderate and curate content on their site. Their commitment to your free speech is "free as in beer" -- as in, you're giving them content and they don't pay you a dime for it.

Of course they have a right to free speech What they do not have a right to is the claim that they should be treated as neutral carriers (like TelCos) when they in fact constantly exercise editorial control for the placement each item. (If they merely posted a chronological list, they would have a valid claim for free speech and no exercised control)

I don't think Safe Harbor is the same as net neutrality with ISPs.

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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

blueterminal wrote: post #36
ecmascript wrote: post #13

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It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. It is super scary to see what's happening in the USA at the moment with leftists' unquestioned total domination.

>As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily.

Europe has seen a surge in anti-EU, anti-globalist sentiment since 2015. We've seen Britain leave with the support of a Conservative landslide in the last election. The V4 group emerge with its own agenda. Other countries postulating about whether being in the EU is the right direction for themselves, and more.

European leaders should be very careful, and I believe they will be, about letting Marxist sentiment like we're seeing in the US go unchecked there.

Now is a great time for Europeans to take a close look at US "society" and "culture" and decide for themselves how much more of it they're willing to tolerate being imported.

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Post by RNCTX »

s_y_n_t_a_x wrote: post #190
derp_dee_derp wrote: post #175

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the person you responded too didn't mention anything about twitter and you seem to be chasing straw men.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy and the double standard. Twitter has been in the news cycle for censoring/manipulating tweets of Trump. On HN I see a lot of people defending this decision by noting they are a private company and you can switch social media services if you want. It seems you cannot switch services, the mob will always find you and push their "ethics" and "facts" onto you.

Listed corporations are not "private companies."

They gave up privacy when they sold stock/bonds on public markets.

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Post by three_seagrass »

camillomiller wrote: post #84
throwaway_jobs wrote: post #62

It seems the pandemic and unemployment is finally causing voodoo economics (trickle down economics) to reverse course and perhaps cause trickle up economics, where the multi-billion dollar corporations and rich alike will begin to feel the pinch of poverty on a massive scale trickle up. Unfortunately while taxpayers got their $1,200 Checks they were robbed blind of over $4T to the FED which went directly to stabilize…

I'm frankly flabbergasted by what's going on with the markets. If anyone thought stocks were still somehow a projection of reality and an indicator of expectations on the future of a company's performance, well, that's clearly not the case anymore. I am really scared that a real devastating collapse is still looming, but I frankly have no clue of when that could happen and what could actually trigger it.

Fed has flooded the market with cash like never before. Buying up debt to the point that they're picking up junk bonds.

Once Q2 earnings hit next month you'll see a massive market correction.

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