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Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Serious questions: Are the people that work at Facebook proud to work there? What is morale like inside that place? When someone asks you what you do, and you say "I work for Facebook," what is their typical reaction? Not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious how these perceptions/feelings might have changed over the past few years.

Here's some info about favorability ratings of Facebook and its changes:

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-poll-facebook-favorability-p...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But FB will. There was a story where a random FB user copied Trump’s posts verbatim. The user got censored. Trump didn’t.

I don't know what FB's content moderation policy on plagiarism is. To give them the benefit of the doubt: perhaps the user was censored for plagiarising a celebrity's post? There's a cler distinction between parody and plagiarism.

No, they were censored for hate speech (IIRC). In the case of Trump, FB claims the president's words are newsworthy, even if they qualify as hate speech.

I don't necessarily disagree with that premise. However, I do believe a Twitter-like "this is biased" or "this is hate speech" label is appropriate. I have no idea if that's the "correct" solution, but at least it's an effort.

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So because Mark Zuckerberg won't censor people with different opinions he is complacent in spreading fake news and hate? Wow, that kind of rhetoric is dangerous imo. For once I actually think Facebook have made the right call. Censoring people is wrong and Facebook should refrain from doing it. Let me decide what is true and false, I don't need Facebook or other people to decide that for me. Good job Facebook, thanks…

Why would advertisers want their ads to run next to content they don't support? Free speech means they are free not to advertise if they don't like the content. Facebook is allowed to avoid censoring posts if that's what they want to do, but they don't have a right to advertisers' money.

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It seems the pandemic and unemployment is finally causing voodoo economics (trickle down economics) to reverse course and perhaps cause trickle up economics, where the multi-billion dollar corporations and rich alike will begin to feel the pinch of poverty on a massive scale trickle up. Unfortunately while taxpayers got their $1,200 Checks they were robbed blind of over $4T to the FED which went directly to stabilize…

I'm frankly flabbergasted by what's going on with the markets. If anyone thought stocks were still somehow a projection of reality and an indicator of expectations on the future of a company's performance, well, that's clearly not the case anymore. I am really scared that a real devastating collapse is still looming, but I frankly have no clue of when that could happen and what could actually trigger it.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back.

>"While it might affect Facebook’s bottom line for a short while, until users start moving away from FB nothing really will change. Advertisers will come back." Counterpoint: users already have moved away, and that's why advertisers are able to do this without hesitation now. FB is still growing in the third world, but I don't know a single person in the US under 30 that still uses it.

Yes, but they use another "social app" that happen to be owned by Facebook the corporation. Even though I don't like Facebook and its founder, I have to say he was clever enough to avoid the fate of MySpace, which just stopped to be fashionable and died. Even if Facebook.com will start going down there is still Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp that are still "cool".

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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post #75

Serious questions: Are the people that work at Facebook proud to work there? What is morale like inside that place? When someone asks you what you do, and you say "I work for Facebook," what is their typical reaction? Not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious how these perceptions/feelings might have changed over the past few years.

Why would they be unhappy or ashamed? Not everybody shares your views of politics.

Facebook is in Silicon Valley and I'm willing to bet most of its ranks are very liberal.

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I wonder how much of the elephant in the room, which is "ad-tech kind of doesn't work so great", people are going to be willing to say out loud.

Based on some personal experience from perhaps 7 or 8 years ago, it can work for driving sales.

However it required quite a lot of effort.

It wasn't just throw some money into the ads and wait for the returns - you needed to basically spend a full-time job pulling levers and prodding buttons to find out where the "sweet spot" was and then make sure you keep up with the moving target over the following days weeks and months. If you were lucky and your business was selling the "right" things (i.e. large margin items) you could do quite well. E.g. it might cost you $15-20 in ads to make one sale - that is net-positive if the margin on your items is large. So some fashion, furniture, holidays etc a $20+ Cost-per-acquisition is a bargain as you just paid $20 to make a $150 profit. If you are competing for common ad space/keywords and you have a low-margin business then you're probably not going to do so well since you might be paying $20 to sell something that costs $9.99 or whatever.

Of course, there is then the question of would you have made that $150 profit without spending the $20? Or did you actually make more than one sale from those $20 worth of ads (e.g. in-store sales etc in addition to purchases made online). I am not involved in online advertising now, but at the time that was the trillion dollar question that everyone was trying to answer... no idea if it is solved now.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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post #75

Serious questions: Are the people that work at Facebook proud to work there? What is morale like inside that place? When someone asks you what you do, and you say "I work for Facebook," what is their typical reaction? Not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious how these perceptions/feelings might have changed over the past few years.

Why would they be unhappy or ashamed? Not everybody shares your views of politics.

Because ethics =/= politics and I think it's a pretty universal judgement that Facebook has done some ethically dubious things in the past, and not much has changed from the policies that led them there in the first place.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Serious questions: Are the people that work at Facebook proud to work there? What is morale like inside that place? When someone asks you what you do, and you say "I work for Facebook," what is their typical reaction? Not trying to be snarky. I'm genuinely curious how these perceptions/feelings might have changed over the past few years.

There was a comment here from someone working in a company (strongly hinted that it was Google or Facebook) where they described that basically most people are aware that lots of what they do is terrible for the web and humanity in the long term, but they have a culture of pretending they are creating something good for the world and patting each other on the backs. And since their pockets are being lined with good money, medical, etc, it's hard to leave.

Re: Ad Boycott of Facebook Keeps Growing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It surely feels like it at least when every single major javascript framework has a #BLM header. Nothing that don't matter or are relevant to me since I live in northen europe.

As an European myself, I really hope we will not succumb to tyrannical movements so easily. It is super scary to see what's happening in the USA at the moment with leftists' unquestioned total domination.

... leftists' unquestioned total domination.

lolwut? Surely you jest? 2.5 of 3 branches of our government are led by regressive, obstructionist conservatives (Trump in the WH, McConnel and the GOP in the Senate, and a 5/4 majority of SCOTUS).

Additionally, 26 of 50 state governors are conservatives. And 29 of 50 state legislatures are conservative.

There is no "liberal domination" of anything in the US.

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