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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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The UI and UX seem to be getting worse on macOS with the “iOSification” of the OS. I thought Jony Ive’s exit would stop that trend. It’ll be interesting to read perspectives from John Gruber, M J Tsai, Marco Arment, etc. I still haven’t upgraded from Mojave to Catalina because of serious bugs reported by other people (including data loss issues in Mail). I’ll see if Big Sur shows improvements (reported by others) and…

Catalina was the primary motivator to move back to Linux for myself, and I don't regret it. If you care about things like this, you can configure Plasma Desktop with macOS features and shortcuts and end up feeling right at home.

I've been umm-ing and ahh-ing about making the switch to a linux laptop full time.

Currently have my work desktop (linux + windows for gaming :D) at home for lockdown and a file share/media server (linux) hooked up to the tele. All seems to work. Even my firewire audio interface is more stable on my linux work desktop (it's not supported on Windows 10 > 1903 / OSX > 10.13).

The one thing that is keeping me switching is Apple Music w/ the iCloud Music Library syncing. Legit the only reason I haven't ditched my 10 year old macbook pro yet.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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>Honestly, every time Apple has done anything with the Mac the past couple of years, they've screwed it up. Compared to what OS? The latest Windows 10 update buggers up Storage Spaces and printing, hard on the heels of another Windows 10 Update that deleted the user's files.

can't speak about the very recent updates, but windows have been consistent and adamant on keeping the backward compatibility. they still use reserved file names for io devices so that 30+ year old printers can still work, and you can still open a 2000s doc file in office 365. (I'm looking at you Apple, who made many of the 32 bit apps I loved useless) relevant video: https://youtu.be/bC6tngl0PTI (Tom Scott: Why you…

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Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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post #11

Oh god that new Mail app looks disgusting. Reminds me of a shitty Electron app, that kind of design.

Anyone who uses Exchange servers or Office 365 should switch to Outlook. It's like the grown-up, adult brother of Apple's mail client.

It’s better, but still drives me crazy. Microsoft has come long way but still got heaps of work to do (I.e. no way to customise ribbon in Outlook)

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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I upgraded to Catalina for work and have had an abysmal time with basically anything that is external to the macbook (monitors/webcams/hedphones) - if I had to estimate, I'd say I lose anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour a day just trying to get the goddamn machine to do things laptops have been perfectly capable of doing without issue for the past decade.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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post #84

I’m surprised at all the negative takes. I thought it was refreshing, they’re reintroducing colours and icons, cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms, and introducing new, well tested convenience features.

In general I think all these are positives, but these two worry me:

> "using a consistent design language across platforms"

Apple famously refrained from doing this at first, because for platforms with fundamentally different form factors, use cases and input methods it doesn't make much sense.

I do appreciate some parts of the redesign, but others like reducing the information density make things look nicer but make them less functional. We get it, whitespace is good to let things "breathe". Nontheless:

- I use those buttons that seem to be MIA in the screenshots of the new Finder though (to switch between views, the sort menu, the cog icon with extra actions). Will I have to change my workflow?

- I use a lot of items in the macOS sidebar. In the current Finder, my sidebar can show 12.5 items without scrolling. In the screenshots, it's showing 9. Am I going to have alter my workflow here too?

All of these seem like minor things, but they add up. There's a reason some people still download and learn Vim— the 5 seconds it can save you from each time you reach out to a mouse adds up. It might just be 5 seconds, but you do it _all the time_.

Like vim, this doesn't matter for many people, but for people who use an OS mostly for work, not for excitement or leisure, it can be worrying and annoying.

> "introducing new, well tested convenience features."

My worry here is that they might be popular in iOS, but that doesn't mean they are well-tested per se. Launchpad was a "well-tested" iOS feature (the home screen), but when it first arrived in Lion, it was terrible:

1. It was very buggy, as new software tends to be.

2. It was poorly thought out for the Mac.

- It didn't have a search bar, which makes sense in iOS but not in macOS.

- The only way to edit it was with click and hold, which makes sense on touch devices but is unseen in pointer devices.

- It uses the whole screen, which makes sense in single-app environments but not really on large screens with multiple apps are used. Coincidentally, Apple has realized full-screen experiences are dreadful when attempting to multi-task and changed some of these (Siri, calls on iPad) on the latest iOS.

3. It was in general unnecessary. macOS already has a bunch of ways to open apps: the Finder, Spotlight, the Dock, for some users, the Desktop. This is subjective though.

There's a lot of power-user tidbits on the way some of macOS feature's are implemented right now. You can option-click the Bluetooth, Wi-Fi and Sound task bar items to bring up extra options or information. People like me who constantly need to read the IP address or access the Bluetooth debug menu rely on these little power features for our workflows. I sure hope Apple hasn't gotten rid of these with the introduction of the Control Center.

[1]: https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/36343-67506-000-lea...

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Wait, are you telling me that is ok that a capable machine (much more capable than a 2014 Mac Mini, anyway) expires by date? I have more recent Apple hardware (Mac Mini 2018, TB Macbook Pro) and I can tell you this: this Mac Mini is my favorite device, fast, user-upgradable, never had a single problem. It's a pity I have to replace it just because it's expired. By date.

Clearly I never said your machine expires. You can continue using the most recent OS supported by your hardware. Your Mac Mini will not cease to function just because Apple releases an OS it doesn't support.

What I can't see is why the 2014 Mac Mini is supported and the 2012 one is not. This is technically nonsense and really this age thing is just a poor excuse.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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post #60

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Based on how rough the Jira app is on Catalina, if MacOS is going to see more of that then I think I've had my day with Apple.

To be fair to Apple, the JIRA app is the single worst Mac app I've ever used, by quite a long shot. And their web app also has atrocious performance (so much so that it was the deciding factor in a recent decision to move away from JIRA at $DAYJOB). The Mac App Store is probably a fairer comparison.

Jira truly takes the cake for world's most over engineered website.

I wonder how much of the world's coal and gas has been consumed by browsers struggling under the load of Jira.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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Yeah, the design is far too “bubbly” and “floaty” and really doesn’t fit what I’d want out of a desktop environment.

It seems very busy. I wonder what the average ago of a macbook user is.

My first thought was how childish it looked. Reminds me of a sanitized children's book somehow.

Re: macOS Big Sur Preview

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post #84

I’m surprised at all the negative takes. I thought it was refreshing, they’re reintroducing colours and icons, cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms, and introducing new, well tested convenience features.

> cleaning up and using a consistent design language across platforms This is not a positive. A laptop is not a big iPhone and shouldn't use the same design language. One of the worst thing about Windows 10 is its use of huge, touch-friendly interfaces in an OS most commonly used with a keyboard and mouse. MacOS appears to be headed the same way (and it doesn't even support touch screens).

> in an OS most commonly used with a keyboard and mouse

In a business setting, sure, but I think you underestimate how much consumers are using touchscreens nowadays, even on their laptops.

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