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Post by yibg »

onefortyone wrote: post #217
737min wrote: post #205

Does anyone really wonder if we (the US) and China are going to be at war in the next 10 years?

I come from an ex-communist country. So this is probably (hopefully) the only moment my talent of spotting this kind of shit is useful. The thing is that whatever bad behavior the USA committed in the past, and then anxiously analyzed and mulled over for decades... the Chinese are doing day by day, routinely, without ANY remorse or second thought. With the Russians it was different. Sorry to say this, but compared to…

Seems strange to me to assign any emotion to the political entity of a huge country. I don’t even mean what it means. What does China / America/ Soviet Union feeling remorse even look like?

History has shown us that any super power will go to war. The Romans, the British, the Americans. Maybe we’ve learned our lesson from history or maybe today things are different due to greater education, multiculturalism and just rapid communication. Either way we shouldn’t be pinning our hopes on “Jesus Christ”, as again I don’t know what that means. Would he come down and disarm everyone or something?

We avoid conflict by having rational open dialog, educating people and increasing transparency and accountability. The way to increase the probability of conflict is by having this tribalistic us vs them mentality. Everything they do is bad, they are evil and we are just.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by ciarannolan »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #216
ciarannolan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's a new problem. Firing inspector generals en masse [1], personally attacking specific FBI agents and their families [2], intervening in the criminal proceedings of friends and political allies [3], etc. is a pattern of behavior that undermines the rule of law in this country. It's a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you, hurts your feelings, dares second guess you, or, god forbid,…

>>>firing inspector generals en masse https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co... >>>intervening in the criminal proceedings of your friends and political allies http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov... >>>a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201…

Do you have any links that aren't from these wackjob, far-right fever dream websites? It's honestly hard to even read some of these without laughing.

>https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co...

All I see is extreme editorializing of the regular push and pull of government ("horrific neglect", "bull[ing]", "stonewalling", etc). How many of them were fired because Obama didn't like what they were investigating? Trump's count is 5 in the last few weeks. I'm sure Obama fired at least that many if you're making a comparison, right?

>http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... >https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov...

You don't take these blog posts seriously, do you? His connection to Obama was... what exactly? This is prototypical far right nuttery: oBaMaS FrIeNd dEeP StAtE BeZoS NyT AmAzOn hEr eMaIlS.

>http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... >https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov...

I wonder if you actually read these, since they have basically nothing to do with what you quoted. Did you just google "Obama friends bad" and copy/paste the first few links or something?

>"Obamagate II: Secret of the Schmooze"

Not going to spend time watching some fringe conspiracy YouTube channel, sorry. More complete nuttiness.

>That, or have a short memory, since Trump and Obama both pale in comparison to VP Dick Cheney and the Iraq War (KBR? Halliburton? have people forgotten about them already?).

I'm disappointed that I got this far before seeing this. You should seriously consider that you may be in a short, narrow, and extremely loud echo chamber. These aren't the kinds of ideas that normal, well-read, well-informed people from all sides of the political spectrum hold.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by [deleted] »

Natsu wrote: post #190
teknopaul wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could you know that "country A is hiding research"? If its hiding it, you dont know about it, unless you are spying/hacking yourself. FBI stance is we can hide stuff from you, and hack you, because we are the "good guys".

Given the posts earlier saying that the virus' origins are part of research and we know they weren't cooperating with the WHO in that research as of not that long ago, I think we do know at least that much.

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Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by nineparts »

yibg wrote: post #221
onefortyone wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I come from an ex-communist country. So this is probably (hopefully) the only moment my talent of spotting this kind of shit is useful. The thing is that whatever bad behavior the USA committed in the past, and then anxiously analyzed and mulled over for decades... the Chinese are doing day by day, routinely, without ANY remorse or second thought. With the Russians it was different. Sorry to say this, but compared to…

Seems strange to me to assign any emotion to the political entity of a huge country. I don’t even mean what it means. What does China / America/ Soviet Union feeling remorse even look like? History has shown us that any super power will go to war. The Romans, the British, the Americans. Maybe we’ve learned our lesson from history or maybe today things are different due to greater education, multiculturalism and just…

When that political party is set on dictating not only how every citizen but how every ethnic should behave... well...

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by [deleted] »

ciarannolan wrote: post #222
CapricornNoble wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>>firing inspector generals en masse https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co... >>>intervening in the criminal proceedings of your friends and political allies http://www.allgov.com/news/controversies/obama-fires-inspect... https://cei.org/blog/obama-fires-inspector-general-who-uncov... >>>a comprehensive strategy to weed out anyone who disagrees with you https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201…

Do you have any links that aren't from these wackjob, far-right fever dream websites? It's honestly hard to even read some of these without laughing. > https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_co... All I see is extreme editorializing of the regular push and pull of government ("horrific neglect", "bull[ing]", "stonewalling", etc). How many of them were fired because Obama didn't like what they were…

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Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by jbay808 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #184
chrisjc wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not pretend that you have to be a Chinese citizen, or even Chinese in order to spy for China. Or for any other country for that matter. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-ch...

It is a good bayesian prior to note that most Chinese spies are Chinese.

True, although having a good bayesian prior working in your favour can also make you more effective and valuable as a spy.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by dheera »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #207
dheera wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? This isn't about countries. I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives. If country B is hiding research, that doesn't mean country A should hide it as a revenge, and that doesn't mean the residents of country B deserve to take the brunt of the actions…

> I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives Why are you assuming the US is hiding research? Are you aware that there are protocols in medical research against premature release of information as it will taint the results (placebo effects etc)? There are blackout periods etc. just to make sure that the analysis is valid and not tainted. Also a lot of research has lag time. Experiments can take…

> There are blackout periods etc. just to make sure that the analysis is valid and not tainted.

This is an interesting potential debate. In some sense we are sacrificing lives for scientific validity, because it is potentially possible that we could deploy early, ignore blackouts, and have probabilistically fewer deaths + tainted data. But the world is apparently wanting to choose probabilistically more deaths + clean data.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Post by croon »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #207
dheera wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? This isn't about countries. I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives. If country B is hiding research, that doesn't mean country A should hide it as a revenge, and that doesn't mean the residents of country B deserve to take the brunt of the actions…

> I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives Why are you assuming the US is hiding research? Are you aware that there are protocols in medical research against premature release of information as it will taint the results (placebo effects etc)? There are blackout periods etc. just to make sure that the analysis is valid and not tainted. Also a lot of research has lag time. Experiments can take…

Your parent specifically already covered #2 and #3. Even if they do it's better.

Secondly, patent where? If they do it to limit the use I doubt many nations would respect that patent.

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