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The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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You didn't address what parent said at all. Parent said all COVID-19 research should be freely available to all as a matter of principle. What China does or doesn't do has no bearing on this.

Doesn't the origin and initial spread of the virus fall under COVID-19 research? Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? Let us not whitewash unethical behavior with broad strokes of "freely available to all as a matter of principle."

> Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject?

This isn't about countries. I think it is unethical to hide research when it could save lives. If country B is hiding research, that doesn't mean country A should hide it as a revenge, and that doesn't mean the residents of country B deserve to take the brunt of the actions of their government policies. The civilians of B and the civilians of A deserve the best of science equally.

The virus doesn't care about where country borders are drawn. Even in the above situation where country B is hiding their research, if country A shares their research with B, it helps country A themselves because country B's people may be inoculated much faster and immigrants from country B to A will not be carrying the virus anymore.

The objective function that should be optimized is getting the virus eradicated from the world ASAP. There's a good chance that only some fraction of the world needs to be inoculated with a vaccine before the virus is nearly eradicated, and that will only happen if the vaccine is shared across borders. A good start, for example, would be to inoculate everyone who wants to take a flight or train, inoculate all doctors, and inoculate all service industry personnel, regardless of which of the 200 countries they are a citizen of.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Your link doesn't provide any evidence of this. "Communist propaganda of the time claimed that the insect was being dropped from parachutes and balloons"

Poe's law strikes again

My mistake. We need a sarcasm font.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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post #103

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At least according to this incident report https://csirt.egi.eu/academic-data-centers-abused-for-crypto... , one of the two attacks had "unknown purpose". In particular it was not tied to crypto mining.

From the site you linked, the one with "unknown" motive has exclusively attacked Chinese academic victims. It would be extremely bizarre to suggest that the Chinese government is behind this.

It's worth pointing out that countries regularly hack and attack their own citizens. In some ways, it's more important to know what they're doing than what your opponents' are.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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post #137

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They don't even have to pay. Chinese citizens are forced by law to spy when asked. https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/corpo...

Let's not pretend that you have to be a Chinese citizen, or even Chinese in order to spy for China. Or for any other country for that matter. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-ch...

It is a good bayesian prior to note that most Chinese spies are Chinese.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Given today's anti-free-thinker HN climate I'm probably going to get downvoted to oblivion for saying this, but I feel I need to say it. I don't think COVID-19 research should be secretive, I think it should be a global effort, and I'm perfectly happy with the idea of any nation having open access to all COVID-19 research, vaccines, results, and (anonymized) data. There should NOT be a concept of intellectual propert…

Someone should profit for figuring out how to stop COVID because otherwise there is little incentive beyond the government, and they don’t typically work nights and weekends.

If China succeeds in stealing the solution, that will harm mankind because it will reduce future incentive to stop these things quickly.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Anytime the CCP does something bad, there's always someone like you to downplay it in the comments...

And there's always 100 with extremely selective outrage. We're hacking them, they're hacking us, yawn. We hacked Angela Merkel's phone, even. This is normal low level stuff.

They are running concentration camps.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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post #54

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Anytime the CCP does something bad, there's always someone like you to downplay it in the comments...

People who write "CCP" are easy tells. Also you forgot "whataboutism".

What terminology do you use to refer to the Communist Party of China? Mind that the PRC does not equate to the communist party.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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post #113
post #54

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Anytime the CCP does something bad, there's always someone like you to downplay it in the comments...

Which leaves some hope that everybody is not yet brainwashed. Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research? Also, 9 times or of 10 it takes a long time to get an idea of where an attack is coming from. And independently of what they know, 9 times out of 10 politics won't tell you what they know but what they want y…

> Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research?

The virus came from Wuhan where China has some sort of biological laboratory. The virus has hugely affected Europe and the U.S., but has had comparatively little effect in China.

I'm not saying they made the virus and released it. But there will always be suspicion - if it looks like a duck and has a history of wanting to be a duck, maybe it could actually be a duck. And so any 'good' effort by China can always be dismisses as 'they're just trying to look like they didn't do it.'

Of course there's always the very real possibility that China didn't do it. In which case I feel bad for them; they're in a tough situation. But then again, maybe they did?

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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How can western leaders condemn China's lack of publishing info related to COVID-19 and protect private research for curing it at the same time? Research like this should be public and accessible to everyone. I don't know why I shouldn't applaud any hackers spreading this information.

Companies will stop working on it the moment they lose incentive, etc etc.

Re: The FBI investigating hacking of Covid research by “PRC-affiliated cyber actors”

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Doesn't the origin and initial spread of the virus fall under COVID-19 research? Is it fair and ethical to ask country A to make free all research while being okay with country B hiding its own research on the same subject? Let us not whitewash unethical behavior with broad strokes of "freely available to all as a matter of principle."

How could you know that "country A is hiding research"? If its hiding it, you dont know about it, unless you are spying/hacking yourself. FBI stance is we can hide stuff from you, and hack you, because we are the "good guys".

Given the posts earlier saying that the virus' origins are part of research and we know they weren't cooperating with the WHO in that research as of not that long ago, I think we do know at least that much.
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