Apple suspends Siri response grading in response to privacy concerns

Post by tinus_hn » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 9:29 AM UTC

jtbayly wrote: post #146

misnome wrote: post #132

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> When people complained that putting microphones in your home 24/7 was creepy, the response was "that's nonsense, Siri is not sending anything unless you specifically ask for it". This seems like a distorted representation, to support your argument, of what most the complaints and responses were. The gulf between 24/7 recording and "occasionally unintentional sending" is absolutely massive and you just merge them in…

Many apps turn the microphone on and leave it on. Even if they aren’t recording it all or having somebody listen, it is clearly to spy on you to see what you are doing. (Ie did you hear some ad?) That’s not a conspiracy theory, and it is practically indistinguishable from constant listening for the normal person.

Post by ekianjo » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 1:03 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #154

ekianjo wrote: post #80

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> We really need mandatory ethics courses in CS. This is almost never going to happen because ethics=morals and there's no more middle ground to define what is right or wrong nowadays. You can see that already in every societal issue that divides people. Ethics courses would fall in the same pitfall: what is right or wrong depends on your system of values, and there's not much homogeneity in that realm now.

And yet, tons of universities manage to have ethics classes and even ethics majors.

Post by sooheon » Wed, Aug 07, 2019, 3:24 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #222

sooheon wrote: post #93

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An education should not hand you a canned answer to what is "right" or "wrong", it should do almost the opposite. Learning to evaluate well founded opposing arguments is certainly more useful than being force fed moralist dogma du jour.

You can't evaluate arguments in a vacuum. You need a value system to do that, and Philosophy doesn't give you any, it's merely the art of debating.

Post by kmlx » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 9:35 PM UTC

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kmlx wrote: post #11

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yes, in reality no-one cares about you and that might sting a bit. but it gives people a sense of importance when you tell them they’re spied upon.

You my not care about me, but I care that you (company/developer) are abusing private data. That makes it your problem, because I (and cohorts) are your customers. My privacy is your problem and your obligation as a developer or company. It's on you to be ethical.