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Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by xyzzy123 »

mygo wrote: post #191
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I heavily believe we should be supporting creators As do I. There's two significant issues I have supporting most sites: 1. They provide only a subscription that is comparable cost to an old-media full subscription. Like most people in the Internet age I have a small number of main sources that I visit daily, and a much larger secondary tier where I may average one or two stories a week. Or they're the sites linked…

> There's no low user or micro transaction options for these, so I get a choice of pay say £10 a month or nothing There is yet to be a quick and simple micro-transaction infrastructure for the web. Transaction costs inhibit micro-transactions. They don’t scale down. Some are trying to use crypto to do micro-transactions, but even crypto has transaction costs that inhibit how small micro-transactions can be, not to me…

I read an article once that argued the big problem with microtransactions was the transaction cost imposed on users.

For the sites, sure, everything can be automated. But even in the best case of good browser ui/ux support the burden shifted to users would be massive.

The cognitive cost of trying to decide whether to spend 10c on an article I haven’t read yet costs me way more than 10c. Man that article sucked. Did I just get ripped off by clickbait again?

This argument is what convinced me that straight per-article “microtransactions” will never take off for very low value things on the web.

EDIT: found it: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/31/costs-of-micropayme... - Think it was Nick Szabo.

What’s scary to me is that the one “successful-ish” application we have for microtransactions is mobile gaming. Imagine a huge ecosystem of different beans, gems, flooz, widgets or whatever, and all the dark ux patterns to get people to spend them, and also to hide how much they are spending from people.

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by dest »

admax88q wrote: post #167

Why are our devices so far outside our own control that we need to run an additional device on our networks to help prevent them from making unwanted network requests? The whole approach of Pi-hole feels misguided. Blacklisting domains and hosts should be something easily done on my device locally. Then it comes with me when I visit friends or coffee shops, and it's easy to temporarily disable when it breaks somethin…

Editing the hosts file is a security risk.

You don't want a malicious app do this in your back so that when you type alice.com, you see bob.com instead.

Fortunately, to some extent, HTTPS or GPG come to the rescue.

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by djhworld »

avenius wrote: post #4

It's about time this became a public discussion. Websites have become so horribly bloated, while most discussions seem to revolve around whether ads are acceptable or not.

There's been plenty of public discussion, albeit in the tech community [1]. It's a hard issue to sell to people outside because most people don't care if a website is downloading 1mb or 100mb.

[1] http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by JadoJodo »

mikestew wrote: post #203
ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #81

My Pi-hole with updated block lists (blocking trackers as well as ads) sits at around 87.7% requests blocked, which is absolutely mind-blowingly ridiculous. I see absolutely no negative effects browsing like this. Everything I've come across still works fine. Even sites that detect uBlock Origin and tell me to disable it, will work with that disabled and Pi-hole still blocking the ads instead. I heavily believe we sh…

My Pi-hole with updated block lists (blocking trackers as well as ads) sits at around 87.7% requests blocked Where in THE hell are you going on the Internet? Wait, don't answer that. I only wonder because we sit at around 20-30% at our house (which is still ridiculous). But approaching 90%? Maybe I need to crank the blocklists up a notch, but I can't imagine even surfing porn sites all day that I could get anywhere n…

I've hit 75% before. My Roku desperately wants to phone home (25k requests/day).

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by mikestew »

slacka wrote: post #131
ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #81

My Pi-hole with updated block lists (blocking trackers as well as ads) sits at around 87.7% requests blocked, which is absolutely mind-blowingly ridiculous. I see absolutely no negative effects browsing like this. Everything I've come across still works fine. Even sites that detect uBlock Origin and tell me to disable it, will work with that disabled and Pi-hole still blocking the ads instead. I heavily believe we sh…

> I heavily believe we should be supporting creators Agreed. Do you disable your pi-hole on sites like Reddit? They vet their ads so not have any of the malicious attributes that you described. All the larger newspagers like WaPo and NYT are also good about this too. I'm all for blocking intrusive or malicious ads. But quality content depends on ad revenue. The author dedicated an entire paragraph on donating to the…

All the larger newspagers like WaPo and NYT are also good about this too.

The ads are not malicious, granted, but in the case of NYT at least they're still "blinky". They get blocked at the Pi-hole now. I do subscribe, however. I'd like to turn the ads back on because I view the NYT to be a quality publication, but I'm not going to have something moving out of the corner of my eye while I try to read the paper.

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by hectorm »

I'm currently using my own solution [1] based on Knot Resolver, a shell script [2] that creates a blacklist from multiple sources and DNS over TLS to 1.1.1.1. It doesn't have a web interface as complete as Pi-hole, but it's very lightweight.

To block ads when I'm not at home, I use WireGuard and pass DNS traffic through it.

[1] https://github.com/hectorm/hblock-resolver

[2] https://github.com/hectorm/hblock

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by lifeformed »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #166
ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #81

My Pi-hole with updated block lists (blocking trackers as well as ads) sits at around 87.7% requests blocked, which is absolutely mind-blowingly ridiculous. I see absolutely no negative effects browsing like this. Everything I've come across still works fine. Even sites that detect uBlock Origin and tell me to disable it, will work with that disabled and Pi-hole still blocking the ads instead. I heavily believe we sh…

> I heavily believe we should be supporting creators As do I. There's two significant issues I have supporting most sites: 1. They provide only a subscription that is comparable cost to an old-media full subscription. Like most people in the Internet age I have a small number of main sources that I visit daily, and a much larger secondary tier where I may average one or two stories a week. Or they're the sites linked…

I just want to pay a monthly "digital content fee" to some service and have that money be fairly distributed to all the digital services I use: websites, music, video, tools, etc. Is anyone working on a system like that?

Re: Mmm, Pi-hole

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Post by cmurf »

ObsoleteNerd wrote: post #81

My Pi-hole with updated block lists (blocking trackers as well as ads) sits at around 87.7% requests blocked, which is absolutely mind-blowingly ridiculous. I see absolutely no negative effects browsing like this. Everything I've come across still works fine. Even sites that detect uBlock Origin and tell me to disable it, will work with that disabled and Pi-hole still blocking the ads instead. I heavily believe we sh…

This is really depressing. I immediately want to blame the ISP for empowering malicious entities to harm their paying customers. 88% is obscene.
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