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Post by C4stor »

tylerhou wrote: post #58

Hanlon's razor, anybody? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor . This could just be a mistake.

Finally someone reasonable, thank you.

It looks like a mistake, FB is actively communicating it's trying to restore the content but still everyone is witch hunting.

I thought people here were more sensible to the fact that developers at all companies leave bugs/undesired behaviour behind them.

This may very well have been spec'd and developed 10 years ago, and now the reality have changed, but not the code. Because let's face it, it's not exactly an everyday use case.

Re: Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts to temporarily disappear

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Post by phito »

magic_beans wrote: post #36
AdamTReineke wrote: post #6

Holy shit... Literally ten years of Facebook posts and people's comments on them just up and disappeared from my profile. How is that ok?

Because Facebook can do whatever it wants??

It's crazy the amount of people who think Facebook owes them something

If you are really that attached to your Facebook page then do a backup.

If you really think it's unacceptable that Facebook can do whatever they want with your data (and they can), just don't use it.

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Post by int_19h »

zaroth wrote: post #175
jefftk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fb discussion threads those posts initiated are gone, though. If this happened to me I'd be extremely upset: I've had many very good discussions on Facebook that it would hurt to lose.

I assume you haven’t downloaded a copy for yourself yet? I would not assume Facebook has any duty to maintain historical posts. That would be up to the TOS.

Legally, they do not, of course. But it's generally considered rude to do something like that with zero warning.

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Post by dragonwriter »

int_19h wrote: post #67
joe_the_user wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Facebook think it has the right to remove years of their users' contributions? Huh? We're talking about Facebook refusing to keep reposting stuff from another site. That seems like exactly the opposite of the stuff Facebook might have some responsibility for, if it did have responsibility for stuff. I mean, obviously, it's ambiguous whether Facebook is a repository, a gate-keeper, a community, a blogging-sit…

> We're talking about Facebook refusing to keep reposting stuff from another site. We're talking about how Facebook not only turned off the API that enabled reposting, but removed all past posts that were made via that API. Which, at that point, was exactly the kind of user data that they had responsibility for.

> We're talking about how Facebook not only turned off the API that enabled reposting, but removed all past posts that were made via that API.

No, they cut off the API. The old posts were still there, and tied to the apps that were used to send them. When Twitter then killed their app (apparently, because it wouldn't be usable going forward and in ignorance of the way existing posts were tied to it), then the old posts that were made through that app were deleted. Not because they had used the API, but because they were associated with a removed app.

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Post by nukemandan »

rspeer wrote: post #138
nukemandan wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why we need federated social media. I can port all my data to any platform and keep a copy of my own. then when facebook does this, I can just jump to another platform with almost no friction. EG a git repo of all my data/post and linked media that I can move from github -> gitlab

Okay, but don't get the illusion that things like Mastodon currently let you port your identity and your data. Moving from one Mastodon instance to another involves starting over from scratch, just as much as moving from Twitter to Mastodon does. Federated portability sounds like a nice goal and I hear that some people are working on it, but nobody really knows what form it will take.

matrix.org is a great place to start. This can be the groundwork that you build all platforms from... maybe.

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Post by smsm42 »

msravi wrote: post #184
PaulMest wrote: post #168

Facebook did not purposely remove the cross-posted tweets. Twitter removed their app from the Facebook platform which had this as an unfortunate result. Source: https://www.axios.com/how-cross-posted-tweets-disappeared-fr...

> Twitter removed their app from the Facebook platform which had this as an unfortunate result. > TechCrunch also heard from a source with understanding of the situation that the deletion of the app took Facebook by surprise, as well as the fact that Twitter didn’t immediately tell them to restore the content These statements seem to indicate that Twitter was to blame for removing their app. However, from the axios l…

So we have two billion-dollar companies here, with billions of users, and not one person thought about sending an email to check what would happen.

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Post by nukemandan »

adventured wrote: post #140
nukemandan wrote: post #130

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Thee need to own your own data is clear - only you should have the right to redact your posts for any reason. We should adopt systems that are fundamentally amoral, non-censoring, and non-competitive for our data being on their platform. Systems where we can profit from the success of our content. Can anyone think of some examples?

The average Facebook user would receive $10 per year if they were to distribute all of their annual profit to the userbase. That's the best case scenario. What's the point? So users can profit from their content? They won't profit from their content, it's nearly worthless per unit. It's only in the vast total sum that there is any value, and only because it's held by one entity. If you distribute it per post or per p…

Where do you get that $10 from? What is included in that? Total profit per user? Do you think that the sale of data for all users (bots included) is the same? per post is easily gamed - not a solution to be sure.

steemit.com has some ideas - but not perfect ones to be sure - to build incentive based content.

Where is the $400M twitter profit from?

Ultimately it is not about the direct monetary ROI for this in my mind. But empowering choice of you as to who can use your data (and knowing what they are legally able to do with it) is critical. Thinking about reducing the supply of data will likely spike the cost of that data as well. Most of what is sold is not content - but your use of the platform and _who you are and what you do there_ and predicting things about you - not what you post.

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Post by dsumenkovic »

hegz wrote: post #141
ateesdalejr wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shameless-plug https://neocities.org lets you do that for free. :) + letting you kind of be a part of a community built around helping other people with their websites.

Also github and gitlab let you host websites for free. Gitlab even let's you run arbitrary code to build the static content.

If you are interested in GitLab pages, this would be the best place to start: https://about.gitlab.com/features/pages/.
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