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What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by fapjacks »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #130
_fwu1 wrote: post #106

Microsoft is not a company that ever contributed my life as a Linux user and open source contributor for years. In fact, it always made life harder for me. Here is a recent example; because Microsoft made a deal with Lenovo, now new Thinkpads are designed for just Windows. If you're a Linux user, good luck in your new adventure. People say "isn't it like IOS or Android?"; it's not. We had this freedom of using Linux,…

Linux runs on my ThinkPad just fine.

But if you have Optimus working at all, you dumped a couple of weekends into it, right? The dual-graphics auto-switching thing (which I had on my old W530 and now again on my P50) is jank city even with properly tuned "bumblebee" software installed, and proprietary stuff is to blame for that.

Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by setquk »

burntsushi wrote: post #209
setquk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grep 150,000 source files on Linux and on WSL and come back to me. That's a pretty standard console load. It kills git operations, package managers, compilers, the lot. ALL the tools I use it for. Well USED it for. Real data: linux -> 1.3 seconds, all from buffer cache on a cranky old 10 year old HP desktop with 8 gig of RAM and bottom end SSD. wsl -> over a minute on a 12 core i7 with high end m2 SSD, every time. Th…

As the maintainer of ripgrep, I pay attention to these sort of things. I will say that I noticed a similar performance problem in my tests as well, but further investigation revealed that Window's antimalware process was severely throttling file reads. Once I disabled that, performance on Windows is nowhere near an order of magnitude worse than Linux.

Thanks for commenting. I have disabled windows defender on the machine and tweaked the filesystem with fsutil and it is still running at over 40 seconds on the same workload.

Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by btschaegg »

OrderlyTiamat wrote: post #214
btschaegg wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone with any morals would never want to be associated with the Microsoft name, so anyone who does is untrustworthy by default. I'm not in the pro MS camp in this debate, but that sounds like a "no true scotsman" to me.

It's modus ponens, no logical fallacy here.

I disagree with you there. "Modus ponens" implies sound reasoning on the implication part, not ad-hoc claims and hyperbole.

As a thought experiment: Replace "Microsoft" with your favorite open source project and see if the argumentation still holds.

Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by mortdeus »

jgaa wrote: post #114
raesene9 wrote: post #4

The idea that some companies must be forever tainted by their misdeads in the past seems odd to me. Companies change leadership, direction and style and it seems odd to suggest that there's some underlying quality which means that, regardless of that, you can never trust them (or in reverse that you should always trust a company you once trusted) There seems to be a trope with Microsoft that they're still the same co…

I have been around since Microsoft's core product was Basic under CP/M. It was not so bad. Later, Microsoft had one of the best debuggers for Unix. I used it every day for years. Then Microsoft became bigger and bigger and they did that by becoming increasingly Evil. The problem with Microsoft today is not that all their technology is bad, sluggish and annoying. They still have some competent developers working there…

"They still have some competent developers working there. The problem is that although they put on a lot of lipstick - they are still dead Evil."

The problem is that they have some competent developers working there, when realistically they need badass talent like Google and Apple has.

Whether or not a company is evil is subject to opinion on what you think a company is meant to do. A company is meant to be profitable.

The only thing I see in this acquisition is that Microsoft want's to improve it hiring abilities and to gain control on a few open source projects like Electron and Atom. Projects that they use for example in VS Code.

Like I wouldn't be surprised if Electron was their only interest because of Web Assembly being on the horizon and the fact that Windows is still the dominant desktop OS, but their web store doesn't deliver like Google or Apple stores because developers attention is already split between Android, IOS, and Web development.

Long story short, Microsoft has a lot to gain by integrating Electron into Windows because to develop for Web is essentially the same as developing for Windows. (in this regard they gain the same edge that ChromeOS has)

Plus the more Microsoft embraces open source the closer we get to a Linux based Windows OS. Which sounds horrifying until you consider that Linux shipping on every computer in the world means all these projects developed for Linux will get to actually see the light of day.

Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by Corrado »

mortdeus wrote: post #226
jgaa wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been around since Microsoft's core product was Basic under CP/M. It was not so bad. Later, Microsoft had one of the best debuggers for Unix. I used it every day for years. Then Microsoft became bigger and bigger and they did that by becoming increasingly Evil. The problem with Microsoft today is not that all their technology is bad, sluggish and annoying. They still have some competent developers working there…

"They still have some competent developers working there. The problem is that although they put on a lot of lipstick - they are still dead Evil." The problem is that they have some competent developers working there, when realistically they need badass talent like Google and Apple has. Whether or not a company is evil is subject to opinion on what you think a company is meant to do. A company is meant to be profitabl…

You know, I completely forgot about GitHub owning Electron. And I'm sure there are other GitHub projects that I've overlooked. Maybe MS didn't purchase GitHub for the repositories but for the support programs. Hmmm...

Re: What is wrong with Microsoft buying GitHub

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Post by zealot0630 »

gressquel wrote: post #43

I myself am optimistic but some few questrions popped up: Microsoft is very proactive removing things from azure and shutting down sites as soon as they receive DMCA complaint or abuse complaint. Are they going to remove important github repos like these if they get DMCA or other complaints? https://github.com/Roy47Zhang/CSGO-Aimbot-Project (cheat for Counter strike) https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl (download from v…

These are absolutely legal software, they don't violate any DMCA rules, M$ and github don't have right to remove it.

The behavior of using these software maybe illegal, and violate EULA, the company can punish the user who is using the software according to their EULA, but there is nothing directly related to the software itself.

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