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Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by justin66 »

bassman9000 wrote: post #214
monodeldiablo wrote: post #152

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Probably just fine? Slovenia seemed to manage alright, and their economy is positively tiny.

Slovenia doesn't have the public spending Catalonia has.

Catalonia sends much more money to the central government than it receives (the difference is an amount equivalent to 8% of the region's GDP, according to a Guardian article that's a few years old). I wonder why shaking off the central government wouldn't be a win for them financially, even if they spend more than they ought to.

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Post by kgwgk »

Oletros wrote: post #217
kgwgk wrote: post #194

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The High Court of Justice of Catalonia, if I’m not mistaken.

no, just a third are nominated by the Comunity https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribunal_Superior_de_Justicia_...

I was talking about who appoints the judges in the lower courts (like the one in Barcelona behind the operations being discussed). But if your point is that the Catalan administration is part of the Spanish administration and the Catalan legality can be traced back to the Spanish constitution then I fully agree.

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Post by monodeldiablo »

gfiorav wrote: post #177
monodeldiablo wrote: post #165

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America's founders also considered slaves fractional people and women incapable of voting. They happened to be right about some things, but they were still wrong about other things.

Yeah, they also called indigenous people “savages”. Back in those days stuff like that was still not clear. However, when creating the constitution, they put a lot of thought on the system it should follow. Like I said: direct democracy is a tried and tested method. It has failed for the same reason always.

> Like I said: direct democracy is a tried and tested method. It has failed for the same reason always.

Always? You should be sure to inform the Swiss, who've been operating under the mistaken assumption that direct democracy in their cantons was functioning just fine.

Then, climb in your time machine and alert the New Englanders that their town halls were actually ruinous disasters. Then go further back and mock the ancient Athenians for starting this whole democracy debacle by running a stable government for 200 years.

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Post by pvaldes »

justin66 wrote: post #221
bassman9000 wrote: post #214

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Slovenia doesn't have the public spending Catalonia has.

Catalonia sends much more money to the central government than it receives (the difference is an amount equivalent to 8% of the region's GDP, according to a Guardian article that's a few years old). I wonder why shaking off the central government wouldn't be a win for them financially, even if they spend more than they ought to.

This is only a part of the entire equation. Politics could be happy and sell their triumph for a while, but entrepreneurs an companies at this point would had a big problem and probably not so happy

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by justin66 »

pvaldes wrote: post #224
justin66 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catalonia sends much more money to the central government than it receives (the difference is an amount equivalent to 8% of the region's GDP, according to a Guardian article that's a few years old). I wonder why shaking off the central government wouldn't be a win for them financially, even if they spend more than they ought to.

This is only a part of the entire equation. Politics could be happy and sell their triumph for a while, but entrepreneurs an companies at this point would had a big problem and probably not so happy

Yeah, I think this whole secession thing is a bad idea since the less tangible parts of breaking up a functioning country are so awful. It's pretty much always a better idea to fix things if it is possible.

So I say advisedly that if the attitude and misunderstanding of facts among some of the unionists here is representative of a larger whole, it might not be possible to fix things. That's an outsider's point of view.

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Post by unethical_ban »

pvaldes wrote: post #216
unethical_ban wrote: post #95

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If a supposedly democratic nation banned free speech, then I would proudly break the law. If a sufficient number of people in a geopolitical area wish to govern themselves, broadly, it should be seriously considered by any ethical government.

Like in the case of the Islamic State, for example? Hemmm...not.

Like Catalonia, Britain, Scotland, South Sudan, the United States, or India?

The circumstances matter. I can't draft a workflow for "ethical independence" on a Friday morning on HN. I can say there is a difference between self-determination and the desire for liberty vs. mass murder, conquering territory and waging guerrilla warfare against multiple nations.

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Post by fabianmg »

rbanffy wrote: post #197
atomi wrote: post #99

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I wonder how some of these posters would feel if this was a California referendum requesting independence.

Texas vs White established unilateral secession is unconstitutional. Other states would have to support California's wish to leave the Union. Having said that, the US is a beast very different from Spain, affording its states far more autonomy than the norm.

So, it's illegal in US because a court said so, but it's opression in Spain because a court said so?.

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Post by fabianmg »

pvaldes wrote: post #179
kiliancs wrote: post #154

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Catalans will never amount to the number of votes you need to start such a change. This position amounts to prohibiting the exercise of the right to self-determination all peoples have.

Perfect, as everybody can say anything for the "right" of this new thing, the "self-determination all people have" I require you to free the oppressed people of Ohio, quit the area right now, and anexionate the state to, for example, France. And if you do not agree to do what I want then I will shout loud that "this is not a democracy and all of you are nasty fascists". Happy? Yes, is exactly like that. Last year the…

Also, no one had said here that the actual Catalan government didn't completely won the popular vote. They were quite benefit by the D'Hondt method.

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Post by fabianmg »

monodeldiablo wrote: post #137
logronoide wrote: post #77

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Yugoslavia and Spain has nothing to do. For a start, we are a Monarchy . Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Yugoslavia had a terrible civil war and they broke in pieces. There was no reason to keep on together. Spain had a more terrible civil war and Spain still exists as it was before. The history of Catalonia says that they have never really fought for independence. They are always looki…

> Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Don't condescend to me. I live in what was Yugoslavia. And that terrible civil war? I spend my days surrounded by its victims. None of them saw it coming. Nobody did until it was too late. > Spain had a more terrible civil war and Spain still exists as it was before. "More terrible"? By what measure? Half as many Spaniards died during the Spanish Civil…

If you have such a huge knowledge how come you haven't mentioned a particular HUGE difference between Spain and Yugoslavia. In Yugoslavia one of the main reasons of the war and secession was RELIGION, in Spain there's no such clash between muslims and catholics.

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Post by pvaldes »

6t6t6t6 wrote: post #196
dawkins wrote: post #46

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"Brutal repression of freedom of speech or demonstrations" "Spain's a stable republic" It's saddens me to see so much ignorance and nonsense. Keeping aside that Spain is a monarchy, in today's Catalonia people have to fight for basic things like the right to educate their children in Spanish, mayors who do not support the referendum are being harrased by the radicals... that is a little example of the "oppresion" you…

> right to educate their children in Spanish This is the kind of nonsense Catalans need to read every day from Spanish media. 100% of the children who finish secondary education in Catalonia are perfectly fluent in Catalan and Spanish. What those people want is to prevent their kids from learning Catalan. The amount lies, BS and bigotry that comes from unionists is amazing.

> 100% of the children who finish secondary education in Catalonia are perfectly fluent in Catalan and Spanish.

This is debatable, specially in ortography. There is always room to improve; and it seems that parents here and there demand more hours taught in spanish at the school since years. Those are just normal people that want the best for their children and have to fill the educational gaps at home, not politicians.

On the other hand, isn't "Unionist" a peculiar word to refer to your neighbours?

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