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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Well, right now a Queen doesn't look like such a bad idea..

If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK instead of President of the US, do you think the Queen would stop him from doing something like this? I'm pretty sure the answer is "No".

No the House of Commons would stop him. Unlike the USA, countries with governments based on the Westminster system, such as Australia, NZ etc don't give the Prime Minister this type of unlimited power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_system

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Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Yep, US has been bombing and droning many of these countries and people coming in should be taken without any knowledge who they are or what are their intentions? Trump just signed action for 5 year lobbying plan. Looks like he deliver once more. It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

People (re-)coming in with green cards, or the Iranian PhD student mentioned in TFA are hardly without knowledge of who they are. They've been vetted by the INS and already live in the country.

Even for those strongly against Muslims, or immigration in general, it seems difficult to believe that this kind of lame-ass shit is what they had in mind when voting Trump.

And for those few with enough animus to want to screw over some innocent PhD student because of where she was born? Fuck those guys.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

If you're one the best and brightest abroad, why would you trust staking a future in this country anymore? Even if what we're seeing now recedes and fades. Huge damage to our future of this country, beyond just the "temporary"-so-far order.

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I believe 46% is less than 50%, and therefore a minority. Not a tiny minority, but nonetheless a minority.

If you want to be pedantic, a minority voted for Hillary too.

It's not pedantry. "Minority" is not a synonym for "small," neither in its official definition nor how it's commonly used.

And yes, a minority voted for Hillary too. Is that supposed to be some sort of gotcha?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

It was 46% of voters in a roughly 58% turnout election. So, roughly 26.7% of eligible voters wanted this.

And you think 26.7% of eligible voters, after you've suppressed and disenfranchised so many people, entitles you to violate our laws, our Constitution, and the boundaries of morality?

No. "President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine.

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He's safe now . Who knows about next week?

You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?

It could happen, it's business after all. He might also be forced to sell by the turkish government. We don't have a stable political environment, and I wouldn't be super surprised if something happened there.

Tax laws come to mind, for example, when Turkish government wanted extra tax money, they started going after American companies.

Edit: Added last para.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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While I understand Trump's motive to micromanage Saudi, Yemen, and Syria due to ongoing military conflict ... Iran makes no sense. Reminds me of a South Park Episode, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Yikes !

Not including Saudi Arabia makes even less sense.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

If you're one the best and brightest abroad, why would you trust staking a future in this country anymore? Even if what we're seeing now recedes and fades. Huge damage to our future of this country, beyond just the "temporary"-so-far order.

I agree, and that's what I have to say to my former (I graduated) coworker. I'm very much inclined to pack bags, ship my possessions, and leave this country myself. If this is how this government behaves one week in, violating human rights and the Constitution already, what can I expect as a minority who was born here?

And what about the people I know without second passports? Should a certain friend refuse to visit China with her parents because Trump might decide to ban her (with an American passport!) from returning home over some spat about trade policy?

The Department of Homeland Security should have refused this order.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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It's so easy to see the outcome of these policies. Intolerance begats intolerance begats violence. There can be no other outcome other than an increase in violence, both domestic and international. And what will Trump do when the violence increases? He will whip the masses up with frenzied speeches and double-down on the executive orders to limit immigration. But the violence will not abate but will worsen. So finall…

  Protests will be banned, people will be put in prison, violence will be quashed by even more violent means
"Our country needs more law enforcement, more community engagement, and more effective policing. Our job is not to make life more comfortable for the rioter, the looter, or the violent disrupter. Our job is to make life more comfortable for parents who want their kids to be able to walk the streets safely."

- whitehouse.gov

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

#230

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

It is always hard to forgive nations whose democratic governments you deposed. Conversely von Clownstick finds it remarkably easy to forgive nations he personally has no business with: http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trumps-muslim-ban-exclude...

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