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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Everyone shouting "lock her up" doesn't know exactly what they're "locking her up" for, except for something vaguely relate to emails and the fact they don't like her. Oh, also, they've already decided she's guilty of "emails." Either the FBI says "Clinton is guilty of emails" or the system is rigged.

Here are some potential charges I could imagine:

1. She used her official position as Secretary of State representing the United States to solicit $150M++ of dollars in foreign donations for her personal 501c3.

Imagine how this worked. Picture the scene at a US Embassy social function in some small corrupt country: "Oh sure El Presidente, I'd be happy to look into what's holding up your USAID payments. Sayyy, Bill would love to come and deliver a speech for you. By the way, his going rate is $500,000."

Having our Secretary of State asking foreign dignitaries for payments on-the-side irreparably damages our country's reputation in the world. This is some of the most egregious and blatant corruption we have ever seen in a public official.

3. She made copies of government information, which any reasonable person would agree qualifies as some level of classification, to a personal server in her home that was not authorized to store such information (and as a result the Russians stole it).

2. She conducted government business using an unauthorized private server, and did so specifically for the purpose of concealing her actions and correspondence from both internal and official oversight.

4. She set up some type of shadow internal review process to squash entirely legitimate FOIA requests that might reflect poorly on her department or herself.

Routinely, little people are vigorously prosecuted for far, far less. America explicitly rejects having a double standard for royalty, why shouldn't she be subject to the same rules?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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> Technically it had never been closed in the first place, so if you want to be technical Chaffetz is still full of shit. I'll give you the point on being technically correct (and Chaffetz being full of...) but counter that by that logic she's been under FBI investigation this whole time.

> ...but counter that by that logic she's been under FBI investigation this whole time. Interesting. Has there ever been a Fortune 500 board of directors in a CEO selection process under way with a CEO candidate personally under FBI investigation say, "oh, that's okay, you're still one of our two top choices"? If not, it is a peculiar juxtaposition. While an investigation most assuredly does not pass the "guilty unti…

> Interesting. Has there ever been a Fortune 500 board of directors in a CEO selection process under way with a CEO candidate personally under FBI investigation say, "oh, that's okay, you're still one of our two top choices"? If not, it is a peculiar juxtaposition.

There aren't any parallels in the corporate world I can point to. Being under federal investigation would be like wearing skunk cologne to any sane corporate board.

> While an investigation most assuredly does not pass the "guilty until proven innocent" bar, CEO's have been summarily fired by boards or left for the good of the company simply for being personally under FBI investigation. For the political geeks/wonks among us, can you please explain to this layperson how Clinton's situation differs?

Short answer is that she's a Clinton and in control (whether direct or indirect) of the entire DNC and it's delegates. The Clinton's are a big part of the DNC money machine, raising money across the organization so everybody owes them favors. They'd ignore anything like this out of fear of spiting her or WJC unless it were criminal not to do so (say if she were convicted).

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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> She has Obama, using tax payer money, campaigning for her - while not illegal, is pretty morally bankrupt in my opinion. This is not actually true. While he is forced to only use Airforce One when flying he is required by law to reimburse all costs related to campaigning for anyone . Typically though the president never pays for this and, instead, the candidate they are campaigning for foots the bill. Every single…

My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't. That it's been done historically has absolutely zero relevance as to whether it is a moral thing to do (see literally any example of civil rights laws progressing over the past 300 years).

> My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't.

Huh? There is only one president...what's the problem with campaigning for someone else that you support? I don't see the moral issue. If you're paying for it and you're obviously not doing it in lieu of your duty what's the issue here?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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It seems pretty clear. They are going to investigate those new emails. Hence, reopening the investigation. Where am I wrong?

It says they're going to look at whether the emails are relevant. That means they don't know if the emails are even relevant yet.

When you reference a past case against new evidence that's usually called re-opening a case.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't. That it's been done historically has absolutely zero relevance as to whether it is a moral thing to do (see literally any example of civil rights laws progressing over the past 300 years).

> My point is that it is morally void, one candidate is doing it, the other isn't. Huh? There is only one president...what's the problem with campaigning for someone else that you support? I don't see the moral issue. If you're paying for it and you're obviously not doing it in lieu of your duty what's the issue here?

Ok - I looked this up. DNC paid out some money when Obama used AF1. They only paid at the rate of what a regular charter jet would cost, but that makes sense. I don't have a problem with this and I rescind that particular part of my argument.

>Every single president in the history of our democracy has done this. Every single one of them.

This NPR article calls it "unusual" but maybe I am missing something since I only read it at a glance: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/485097272/fact-check-air-force...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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>her opponent represents the very real specter of the end of democracy and the closing of our free society Let me get this straight. Hillary intentionally subverted the democratic process by having the DNC work against Sanders. We have concrete evidence of her working with one of her PACs, which again is highly illegal and subverting our democratic process. She has shady and inappropriate meetings with people respons…

> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims fr…

Are you dizzy from all of the spinning?

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Does it matter if it had classified information or not when a high ranking state official is using a personal private email server to bypass the official one?

Using a private email server was the norm at state department. Collin Powell used a private server and explained the benefits of it to Hillary Clinton. The only reason this bubbled up top was due to the Bengazhi situation. Otherwise, there would not even be an investigation on this.

well, you can get away with anything as long as you don't get caught doing it...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Throughout this whole thing, I can't get past one thing - her using her own server was no big secret when it was happening.

Obama said otherwise. He said he learned about it in the news reports at the same time as everyone else.

Which some of these emails has revealed was bullshit

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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I am not being baited into an argument about this.

Have fun in the FEMA camps, shill

Baseless, uncivil accusations of shillage are not what we need on Hacker News. Please don't post like this.

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Obama pardoning Hillary would be very different than Ford's pardon of Nixon. The latter allowed a disgraced politician who had resigned to leave Washington without facing criminal prosecution. The former would allow a politician to avoid prosecution and continue to take the office of President.

> Obama pardoning Hillary would be very different than Ford's pardon of Nixon. The latter allowed a disgraced politician who had resigned to leave Washington without facing criminal prosecution. The former would allow a politician to avoid prosecution and continue to take the office of President. Based on my take of Obama as a person, I'm pretty sure he'd require her stepping down as a condition of a pardon. Otherwis…

Nah. He'd let her stay probably. Obama would show up on Saturday Night Live with Hillary and do something quirky. Boom. Nothing but net!
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