CSS is powerful, you can do a lot of things without JS

Post by ForHackernews » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 3:49 PM UTC

jhall1468 wrote: post #167

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> Ah! Also, nobody cares about unobtrusive JavaScript anymore. I do. I also care about graceful degradation. There are certain times (e.g. Web Apps like Gmail) where graceful degradation is almost impossible and unobtrusive JavaScript would be silly but those are the exception. Most sites on the web are just content and there's no reason to have excessive JavaScript or any reason why the page can't be perfectly funct…

Just because something can be done a certain way doesn't mean it should be done a certain way. Minimizing javascript for the sake of minimizing it is silly. People that disable javascript represent a tiny percentage of the population. No one is going to make engineering decisions based on that tiny percentage, anymore than people still target IE6.

Post by talmand » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 3:50 PM UTC

Touche wrote: post #212

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Is jQuery included in those 4 or 5 lines? One line of CSS in your accordion?

If you had read the next sentence of my comments you would have seen that it would be a "few more lines" if you didn't use jQuery, basically you need a function like: function eachItem(arrayLike, cb) { return [].slice.call(arrayLike).forEach(cb); } So 3 more lines. If I said you can write a very verbose accordion in under 20 lines would that be good enough for you?

Post by dwaltrip » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 4:01 PM UTC

talmand wrote: post #224

nommm-nommm wrote: post #215

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If one is already using jQuery - https://jsfiddle.net/jw75xznb/ Yeah, it's incredibly crude but it is 3 lines and it took approximately 60 seconds.

If it involves jQuery then it is not 3 lines. The original claim was 3 lines of Javascript. Making a claim something is only 3 lines of Javascript without including the fact that jQuery is required is a disservice to the many people that made jQuery the wonderful library that it is. That is the source of my disagreement.

Post by Piskvorrr » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 4:07 PM UTC

wtbob wrote: post #117

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There's a lot more to this than just "a little delay" to avoid accidental triggers. Good menus are complex. In desktop toolkits, there is a lot of logic to ensure they are accessible and don't behave in annoying ways. For example, a high quality menu will have a certain leeway to trigger into and out of submenus so that you don't accidentally drift into the incorrect submenu should you make an error of a couple of pi…

Good points, but surely all that knowledge could be encoded once into some CSS attributes, rather then rewritten every time for every JavaScript framework on every site?

Post by josephjrobison » Tue, Jul 05, 2016, 4:13 PM UTC