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Post by kinghajj »

driverdan wrote: post #187
x5n1 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese don't care about the global Capitalist class. Chinese care about China. It's the way it should be. South Koreans also don't care about the foreign Capitalist class and neither do the Japanese. The only reason they allow foreign investment is for market development and perhaps to get some corporate know-how and secrets. Chinese don't need the money, most Chinese can get the loans from the government based on h…

> In America the Capitalist class also plays by its own rules. They will steal an idea, pump it with money, then dump it on the public... and walk away with billions. While the product lasts maybe a year or two. Billions? Billion dollar companies are rare and ones that reach billions and only last a only year are two can be counted on your fingers.

I think that quote refers to the cumulative amount swindled by the capitalist class, not the particular amount that an individual member may get away with.

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Post by rasz_pl »

apsurd wrote: post #167
datburg wrote: post #153

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Selective enforcement has a very different meaning in my country. I mean they force us to pay debilitating bills for electricity but they don't care that 11 years ago's 24/7 availability is now as random as rolling dice. We have to pay taxes for the city when we have been suffering of garbage filling our roads, only to end with them to recollect the waste and throw it in our city historic river. They patch things jus…

where do you live?

I am guessing Spain/Italy/Greece

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Post by [deleted] »

snnn wrote: post #204
ISL wrote: post #195

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Working real hard and getting shut down is more personally-negative than doing nothing and having someone else profit. Both ways, you get no revenue, but one way, you waste a lot of time first. It's not worth compromising your principles in order to capture 18% of the world market. 82% is a lot bigger than 18%.

How do you think of Google is putting their best effort to head back to China ? They were working real hard and getting shut down.

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Post by frankzinger »

iBzOtaku wrote: post #214
snnn wrote: post #204

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How do you think of Google is putting their best effort to head back to China ? They were working real hard and getting shut down.

They are? I thought they left China for good.

No, http://9to5google.com/2016/01/11/google-play-services-in-chi...

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Post by Crito »

rdlecler1 wrote: post #137

Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sort…

> "This is going to come back to haunt China at a time when growth is slowing and when they are going to need investment the most."

The market has a short memory. China can act this way for as long as it is profitable. As soon as it starts to hurt them, they can stage a 'revolution' and after a few years of playing nice, all will be forgiven. That's what scapegoats are for, transferring sins.

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Post by bzbarsky »

vacri wrote: post #194
sdm wrote: post #189

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> In total, 106 members of China's National People's Congress and 97 members of Chinese People’s Political Consultative Congress, are on Hurun's China Rich List. Their combined wealth hits $463.8 billion. Ummm... The NPC has 2987. Put in context 97 of 2987 are rich or 3%. That's a far better stat than you'll find for the US senate or congress. The CPPCC is larger. Add to that the comparison to the median wealth all A…

I chased down the link train, and by 'american politicians', they actually do mean congress. The link train stops here: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/01/one-member-of-congre... A senator averages about $3M, a house rep is about $800k.

I would be interested to see what the numbers look like for the average person with equivalent education and of equivalent age to a House rep.

For example, http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/20... claims that as of 2009 the age of US House members averaged 57. I doubt they've gotten younger on average since.

I'm having trouble finding these numbers for our current congress, but in 2009-10, out of 435 House reps 168 had law degrees, 83 had a masters degree, 23 had a PhD, 17 had a medical degree. 32 had nothing beyond an associate's degree; that leaves 109 with just bachelor's degrees. All numbers according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_St...

Your typical person with an advanced degree in their late 50s probably has some retirement savings. And note that the cited article says some of the numbers (but not all!) include the values of the House members homes. It's really not that hard to hit $800k if you count home equity and retirement savings, assuming you have any reasonable amounts of either...

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Post by antiviral »

vikiomega9 wrote: post #205
vpalan2 wrote: post #93

If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident.

Can you explain to me why (like I'm 5 :D) EDIT: Context for my question is that of rule of law and how much can get away without actually having an effect at the top.

Ask an adult to read this book to you: http://www.george-orwell.org/1984

If no adults are around, watch this movie: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81753727/

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Post by spangry »

snori74 wrote: post #166
rodgerd wrote: post #112

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The government censor in New Zealand wants web sites to submit their material, item by item, to the censor's office for approval. Australia and the UK already have firewalls that filter all Internet traffic which "my bad, so sorry" seem to keep "accidentally" including all sorts of sites their backing legislation doesn't justify (at least as far as anyone can tell - the Australian government list is confidential). Th…

Really? Perhaps you could enlighten those of us that live there and have not noticed this. There is a widely used block on CP sites: https://www.dia.govt.nz/Censorship-DCEFS - but that's a very different thing.

Here's an example from Australia: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/how-asics-a...

Not deliberate censorship (excluding the 1200 they did intend to censor, of course). I've had many dealings with ASIC throughout my career and can assure you that most of their 'bad actions' can be ascribed to incompetence rather than malice.

Not that it's much of a comfort; the outcomes of giving power to evil are roughly the same as giving power to stupid.

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Post by Aloisius »

snnn wrote: post #201
troebr wrote: post #128

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They don't block foreign VPNs?

Certainly they do. They use a machine learning DPI algorithm to block oversea VPNs and HTTPS/Socks proxys. So you can't hide your proxy in SSL or ssh tunnels.

How common are VPNs and proxies in China? Is there a lot of demand for getting around the great wall?

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Post by fisheuler »

prewett wrote: post #212
chrischen wrote: post #196

Any move China takes that blocks foreign competition can be seen as an extreme version of an import tariff. Instead of protecting low level industries like corn producers either subsidizing domestic production or taxing foreign imports, China focuses on higher level industries like technology companies, culture companies, etc. While China doesn't have the benefit of Google in the short term, by blocking them it gives…

This isn't about money or protectionism. This is about information control. The government states what they wish the truth were as if it were true. This is not believable if there is other evidence, or even a broad discussion. Hence, viewpoints contrary to the government's "truth" must be stamped out. Apparently Xi's predecessors did not think this was as important, but Xi seems to be old-school. I do not think this…

Yeah，Xi's recent action is just like turn the clock back 30 years,not just more foreign media control,but also more domestic media control.Also,a teacher of East China Normal University(华东师大)just committed suicide yesterday night,despairing with those bad news broadcasting from our national CCTV for about 20 minutes.
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