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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Based in China. There are occasional times I'm unable to access HN without VPN. No idea if that's because it's being blocked or packets just aren't being given priority. Admittedly, China's pipes to the rest of the world are not very large.

They don't block foreign VPNs?

Certainly they do. They use a machine learning DPI algorithm to block oversea VPNs and HTTPS/Socks proxys. So you can't hide your proxy in SSL or ssh tunnels.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Any non-Chinese company that insists on tying its fortune to the Chinese market is taking on tremendous risk. The goal posts are always changing , you need to constantly worry about IP theft, you can easily get on the wrong side of the government, and they strongly protect local interests. Investment is welcome, but as soon as you actually start making a lot of money and recouping your investment some barrier of sort…

You may search what happened to Microsoft's Chinese business, especially the sales of Windows, and their partnership to China Electronics Corporation. And why companies like NASDAQ: SINA ,NASDAQ: PWRD must use a VIE structure. Whenever there is a rule, there is a way to legally bypass it.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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China's leadership seems to be becoming more paranoid. Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves, the economy is stressed a bit but production is in great shape, and the standard of living has been rising for years. Why?

Which is easier. Keeping your existing tight grip hanging from a suspended bar? Or grabbing on tighter after you've let go a a bit?

"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" - Leia

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Not entering the market is also a risk. Say you're an app developer and you don't publish your app on Chinese app stores, chances are someone else will do it anyway and steal the revenue. Good luck finding it and getting it taken down. (Off course chances are it'll still be stolen even if you publish it yourself there)

Working real hard and getting shut down is more personally-negative than doing nothing and having someone else profit. Both ways, you get no revenue, but one way, you waste a lot of time first. It's not worth compromising your principles in order to capture 18% of the world market. 82% is a lot bigger than 18%.

How do you think of Google is putting their best effort to head back to China ? They were working real hard and getting shut down.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident.

Can you explain to me why (like I'm 5 :D)

EDIT: Context for my question is that of rule of law and how much can get away without actually having an effect at the top.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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If I wanted to do massive, irreparable harm to China, this is the law I would pass. And yet, they have done this willingly to themselves, without hesitation or incident.

Can you explain to me why (like I'm 5 :D) EDIT: Context for my question is that of rule of law and how much can get away without actually having an effect at the top.

Here's how I would explain it to a 5-year-old - when you make laws like this, you make everyone else not want to do business with you. This means that you only get to business with people in your own country. 7 billion people with ideas is going to be much better than just one billion people with ideas. The 7 billion people have more money, more ideas, and more people to make cool things, and you're stuck with your one billion people. You will be left behind.

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References?

The World Press Freedom Index [1] might be a good place to start exploring. You can click on individual countries to see trends. However, I have a hard time getting more details from the site. [1] http://index.rsf.org/

when I see China being the second to the last in the list, I have to say Beijing is doing the right thing to keep this kind of BS out of its boundary.

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and with that, I suddenly regret not reading me some Ayn Rand

Not really. The fallacy is likely to come on the next line below the quote, where the quote gets used as an excuse to ignore all laws. including things like traffic regulations and public drunkenness. The overall message is that laws and government is an obstruction to be ignored or demolished. As i get older i learn that while it is good to question laws and regulations, many of them have actual factual reasons to e…

I think it's simpler than that, as you get older you recognize patterns, and you then associate those patterns to things, negative or positive.

I see this with myself and people who are aging with me, we have so much to do as we get older that we have automated thinking around certain subjects.

I think the younger people lack this conditioning to things as they are and can see better methodologies for approaching the situation.

But we old farts have created our pattern and understand it, and so block the young from testing their theories, in a small community this would be a fairly ideal situation, but when scaled to countries, it's slow and inefficient.

We need a more scalable thought process when it comes to large scale humanities.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Can you explain to me why (like I'm 5 :D) EDIT: Context for my question is that of rule of law and how much can get away without actually having an effect at the top.

Here's how I would explain it to a 5-year-old - when you make laws like this, you make everyone else not want to do business with you. This means that you only get to business with people in your own country. 7 billion people with ideas is going to be much better than just one billion people with ideas. The 7 billion people have more money, more ideas, and more people to make cool things, and you're stuck with your o…

well, with this law, you got stability and can focus on things important. With 1 billion well educated ppl, I am not too worried about shortage of talent.
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