Could work on this have started before Steve Ballmer left? Maybe he took my 2007 email to him more seriously that his response let on:
http://jonathanmarkwell.com/2013/08/23/me-and-steve-ballmer-...
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past I'm not sure what they've done to receive such hatred. They are just a technology company and are trying to sell the product.
> They are just a technology company and are trying to sell the product. If you reword things enough, nothing makes sense. For example: "I don't see why Stalin receives such hatred. He was just a politician, and tried to stay in power so he could keep following his vision."
Where are the millions of people killed by Microsoft?
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#214http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html here is what Miguel of Xamarin has to say
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#215If the support for osx and linux depends on xamarin, the future of .NET on those platforms is very dubious.
It does not.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past I'm not sure what they've done to receive such hatred. They are just a technology company and are trying to sell the product.
It is not hatred, decades more of experience. Throughout the 90's and early 2000's Microsoft abused their monopoly position to the detriment of many. Open source options were much more limited then than now. The only reason Microsoft is changing now is that they have no choice.
To me it seems just survival evolution. I can assure that if your ancestors and my ancestors had not killed and raped lots of people, it would be very unlikely that both of us would be here today discussing this.
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I think some people just have moved on. Heck, a lot of people here were not in tech when Microsoft was doing bad stuff. Stacker: 20 years ago. IE Antitrust: 10 years ago. SCO: 10 years ago.
They're still doing bad stuff today, just on different fronts. That said, I hope they give Google and Apple a run for their money, those are (probably) just as bad. The last ruling in the SCO case was a mere 4 years ago.
> They're still doing bad stuff today, just on different fronts.
I mean no disrespect, but what's the bad stuff being done my Microsoft today?
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#218The key points seem to be: "Available Wednesday, Visual Studio Community 2013 is a free, fully featured edition of Visual Studio including full extensibility." So, it sounds like this will replace the Express edition and let you install extensions like you can in the Pro version. "Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 2015: build for any device - Built from the ground up with support for iOS, Android and Windows, Visual Studio…
I believe they mean you write code in VS and target Android/iOS/etc for builds. It sounds like it's moving more towards a regular IDE than very .NET specific.
It does not sound like you can run VS on different devices.
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#219This is going to be a huge boost to ClojureCLR, IronPython, and F#. I think F# especially is going to take off in popularity now that its best VM target is going to run on Linux and Mac.
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#220It's funny how Nadella has moved the needle more for developers in 9 months than Ballmer did in the last decade or so, and all that without running around like a madman too. Pretty good. I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past but it is nice to see them try hard to become a nicer player in the software eco-system. Google and Apple need some other party to keep them sharp, it might as well be MS…
Seeing comments like this “I'll never switch back to MS for what they've done in the past” always reminds me of this post from Hanselman http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx
Sometimes is justified, never say never, but it will take short of a miracle for me to trust Internet Explorer in any way, shape or form after setting back the Open Web for years (I know that IE 11 is way better, but to little, to late)
Now saying that, I think that an Open Source .NET stack is a wonderful thing! I like C# a lot.