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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by ben0x539 »

iamdave wrote: post #190
llamataboot wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but this is a false equivalence. On one side you have people literally threatening people with violence to the point of being forced to leave their homes, cancel speaking appearances, etc. On the other side, you have people pointing out this unfortunate fact.

I ask this earnestly, but did I give some indication that the threats being delivered don't deserve scrutiny or should otherwise be waved aside as negligible? I guess I'm not entirely getting where you're coming from; my point was that there's a worthwhile discussion that needs to be had regarding sexism in gaming, but much of it has been muddled by participants from both camps. The death threats here, just happen to…

Yeah, you did give that indication, you're constantly framing abuse and harassment of women as a "battle" between two equally positioned sides, incidentally sides where one would be arbitrarily placed in by accident of birth.

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Post by CocaKoala »

opless wrote: post #153
_wdh wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't think anyone creates a marketing plan that involves fake death threats. That just doesn't make any sense, especially as she doesn't need to manufacture an outrage against her.

Though this would validate her "professional victim hood" as some would describe her and a lot of so-called "feminists" online. I'm not saying that she /did/ call it in herself, but it wouldn't be out of character with her (and her peers) stereotype.

I dunno, opless. It would be a great coup for you to call in some death threats against Anita; nobody would believe you, because it wouldn't be out of character for her to make them up. So you get to harass her for free with no consequences.

I'm not saying you /did/ send death threats, but it wouldn't be out of character for the people who are harassing her online.

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Post by hga »

mitchty wrote: post #206
Crito wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many very popular types of guns do not have "safeties" in the sense that you are likely thinking. They do not have a switch that can be toggled between "safe" and "fire". Glocks are one prominent example (they lack some sort of safety switch, although they have other sorts of safety features.) Truly mechanically induced accidents are nevertheless exceptionally rare. The guns only fire when the trigger is pulled, whic…

Another note on the glock, you have to pull the trigger to pull it apart. All the more reason you follow the 4 rules of gun safety to a T with that brand. Especially the part about ensuring its not pointed anywhere it shouldn't be and unloaded check about a million times. (note, I own no firearms but have enough friends that do I gain a ton of knowledge on them.) One exception to firearms going off on their own might…

And you can't really follow Rules 2 & 4 when you holster it, unless you remove your holster first, which is often not a good option (like after the shooting appears to be over, but before others like the police arrive).

I will never willingly carry a striker fired weapon: no external hammer, so if something, like a windbreaker tie or finger catches on the trigger, you can't DTRT with your thumb on the nonexistent hammer to stop it from firing.

Flip side is what one of my instructors called manual safeties: "death levers". If you forget to flick it to safe....

Another side is that manual safeties make guns somewhat "proprietary" as Massad Ayoob puts it. Some police officers have avoided bad outcomes when their weapons were grabbed, as the criminal struggled to make it fire they could take effective action. Not so much of an issue for those who carry concealed.

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Post by doe »

anon3d3c928 wrote: post #114

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

GamerGate is about transparency in game's journalism, educate yourself.

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Post by ben0x539 »

Rubix117 wrote: post #165
vlunkr wrote: post #158

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Even if they aren't real at all, how is that an appropriate response?

Because lying about death threats causes more problems. I honestly can't believe people take this woman so seriously. As I have commented before she has been shown to be a liar. Nothing she says has any credibility.

You gotta realize that at the point where you observe a women fearing for her safety and having to manage her life around constant harassment and threats of violence and your public reaction is "clearly she must be making it up for attention and all those benefits she's getting from being a public target", you've gone so far off the rails of the process of forming conclusions from reasonable assumptions that your implicit agenda is showing really, really flagrantly.

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Post by kaivi »

grecy wrote: post #41

So where are the police in all of this? Are you telling me I can send an email threatening mass murder to whomever I want and there are no consequences. We've seen kids thrown in jail for indirect comments on Facebook, surely this is more tangible.

This made me wonder: has there ever been a death threat, that has actually been carried out later by the same person or group?

Why would anyone announce a premeditated murder before it really happens?

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Post by iamdave »

ben0x539 wrote: post #211
iamdave wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ask this earnestly, but did I give some indication that the threats being delivered don't deserve scrutiny or should otherwise be waved aside as negligible? I guess I'm not entirely getting where you're coming from; my point was that there's a worthwhile discussion that needs to be had regarding sexism in gaming, but much of it has been muddled by participants from both camps. The death threats here, just happen to…

Yeah, you did give that indication, you're constantly framing abuse and harassment of women as a "battle" between two equally positioned sides, incidentally sides where one would be arbitrarily placed in by accident of birth.

If the problem is my choice of the term 'battle', I was borrowing a phrase from game theory: http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_the_sexes_(game_theory) which I genuinely believe the subject matter has many contextual parallels to.

Obviously I do not intend to speak as if the social conversation about sexism in gaming, tech and other industries is an actually even battle where both sides have equal rhetorical or empirical firepower to "win" or "lose".

And if indeed the problem is that I called it a 'battle', then I'll conditionally accept correction on that (even if I think it ignores the larger point I was attempting to make).

I think now is a good time for me to step aside from this before we go off the rails.

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Post by hrktb »

DanBC wrote: post #174
hrktb wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would come down to who wants to be the first. Also the people making these death threats are not in a sane state of mind from the start, judging from the published samples.

People can just be assholes without also having mental illness.

That's way passed the level I'd call being an asshole: https://mobile.twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160

Also, no one talked about mental illness.

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Post by imaginenore »

Oh, the same Anita that previously got caught with making fake death threat against herself, the standard feminist tactic these days.

Anita is a talentless hack who is trying to ride on the backs of the gullible male developers by whining about non-issues and nonsensical "violence-games-games-causes-real-violence" type of arguments.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Sugar_Free »

anon3d3c928 wrote: post #114

using a throwaway account because ppl could easily find my twitter, my company, and harass me all day about this (and probably would). GamerGate is very probably a hate group, with no other legitimate purpose. they're known to send people into forums like this to argue politely and coherently that the "movement" is 100% legitimate. typically the person who comes onto a site like this, to argue in that manner, also ma…

You're linking to an article posted by Jezebel, owned by Gawker. No one takes them seriously at all. No one should take them seriously because in one minute they're proclaiming rape is bad, the next that it's good against men. So screw off with that nonsense propaganda.

You're not here to inform people, you're here to brush all [irrelevant group] as trolls/haters/terrorists, or whatever Jezebel told you to think. I dislike gamers as much as the next, but you're the very person Rick is talking about. Not gamers.

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