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Post by chinmoy »

srid68 wrote: post #171
muyuu wrote: post #122

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If they are not nationals, they are illegals. If it's not a very long sentence, OP is better off trying that after he's done with it. Maybe ask for asylum, but afterwards.

He is being charged for Sedition which is 8 years in prison. The best thing for him is to escape and i believe even many malaysian muslims will help him to escape as long as he repents for his mistake. People are never cruel only institutions are cruel, because if they are not, they lose control and the consequences are far more than a simple prank.

I really don't think that the OP made any mistakes. And you're wrong about people not being cruel. They can be very cruel. Very recently in my country, four bloggers were jailed because they wrote sarcastic blogs about Islam and one was killed for running a website that mocked religion. And the vast majority of the people were happy. And I'm not talking about the old generation, I'm talking about generation Y and Z.

I myself, received threats because my FaceBook said I was an 'atheist' and I was engaged with social media movement against religious oppression.

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Post by polymatter »

moubarak wrote: post #75

if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.

This is HN. It is a community based around tech startups and the culture of Silicon Valley. This means it is not a deeply Muslim community, and what might be unacceptable in any deeply religious community is normal here. I hope you don't go because you have been very civil and I think a healthy community has diverse members, but if anyone is an outcast here it is you.

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Post by mahmud »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #209
mahmud wrote: post #169

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Now that it came to light that you are in Malaysia, I would modify my initial suggestion. 1) I don't recommend escape as before. I was fearing you might be in an Arab country. Malaysia has what vaguely resembles a law, at least. 2) On the other hand, you are ethnic Chinese. I'd tell the lawyer to bring up the issue of your safety in prison. Man, my heart is seriously aching for you, specially after reading your story…

Out of curiosity, why specifically did you change your advice of escaping Malaysia?

It says in #1 that I was afraid he might be in the Mideast. Arabs would hang him with impunity to make an example of him. Malaysia can't: it would be perceived as racially motivated, as he is ethnic Chinese, and Malaysia is already under scrutiny for its race relations.

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Post by moubarak »

alinajaf wrote: post #183
moubarak wrote: post #159

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the Quran is nothing but paper. flushing it down the toilet however is not like flushing a piece of paper. flushing a holy book down the toilet is a message of enmity. why do you speak so illogically.

So you've offended my religion. Should you be outcast or not? Try to stay focused here, it's not hard.

you have only showed that your values are different. you ave not shown that i flushed your values in the toilet, nor published insensitive photos of your values (like the OP did). do you need help defining the work insult?

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Post by moubarak »

tehwalrus wrote: post #204
moubarak wrote: post #181

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if you merely criticized religious laws, then i apologize and take back all what i said and believe the you have been not rightly convicted. if you have been convicted however because you insulted that religion (insensitive photograph, your words nit mine) then you should be outcast like a drunk bee.

> your words nit[sic] mine This was my first comment on this thread, and I'm not the one who submitted it. Read the usernames attached to the posts. > if...you insulted that religion As I said, it depends on my opinions and the definition of insulting - people might be insulted by what I say, I don't know until I've said it, do I. In Liberal Theory (On Liberty, JS Mill) it is said that freedom of thought (believing s…

i think the human brain is more powerful than what you or what you state believe. humans can easily distinguish between freedom of expression and an offense.

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Post by moubarak »

jacquesm wrote: post #206
moubarak wrote: post #178

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someone who has just been convicted for offending another religion inside their own country is talking about enlightenment. im loving this.

You suffer from serious reading comprehension failure.

you just offended a religion. how different are you from the OP?

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Post by TheSmoke »

3a0e8ff4e557 wrote: post #3
arisAlexis wrote: post #2

write a blog entry about your story, make it known to the public many ppl might volunteer to e-protest for you

My story is actually well-documented in the local media, and, although there are segments of supporters, these count for nothing in a Muslim country. Thanks for the idea though.

you are going through a rough time right now since there is an awful possibility for you to lose your freedom and i really deeply feel sorry for you but stop generalising muslims / muslim countries. if your justice system is broken that's not because they are muslim but they try to bend the rules of qur'an.

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Post by neurostimulant »

VLM wrote: post #125
GrumpySimon wrote: post #49

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Don't go to Australia. We're mostly locking up asylum-seekers on small off-shore island detention centers. This is not a good thing.

Hmm spend time in a civilized nation's prison or 3rd world prison... doesn't seem hard to decide. (Insert joke about not sure if the .au prison is the civilized one or the 3rd world one ... oh oh look what I just said, now I'm about to be sharing a cell with OP) This goes double for the Norway comparison... whats the worst thing they can do to you in a Norway prison, serve lutefisk for dinner?

On a 3rd world prison, you might be able to bribe the warden to provide you with better room, cellphone, cable tv, internet, air conditioning unit, small kitchen, etc.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&pr...

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Post by rdouble »

VLM wrote: post #125
GrumpySimon wrote: post #49

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Don't go to Australia. We're mostly locking up asylum-seekers on small off-shore island detention centers. This is not a good thing.

Hmm spend time in a civilized nation's prison or 3rd world prison... doesn't seem hard to decide. (Insert joke about not sure if the .au prison is the civilized one or the 3rd world one ... oh oh look what I just said, now I'm about to be sharing a cell with OP) This goes double for the Norway comparison... whats the worst thing they can do to you in a Norway prison, serve lutefisk for dinner?

I'm not sure that is a given. Maybe Australian prisons are nice. You could make the same joke about the USA and it would unfortunately be closer to the truth. I'd rather get sent to jail in Mexico than one in Arizona.
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