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Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Bet on HN embarrassing itself every time on stories like this.

HN posters being reactionary to hot topics like DMCA when all the facts aren't out? Say it ain't so.

Except I've read most of the comments and on the whole they seem a) correct (to my understanding of the DMCA) and b) reasonable and well thought out.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#212

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Seriously? It's a clock - how many unique ways are there to design it? It's a folded up map with pins in it. He moved the hour/minutes hands, changed the colors and shadows, used different continents in the map.

Seriously? Apple paid $21 million for a clock design after first adopting your attitude: http://www.law.com/corporatecounsel/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202...

This is the essence of what is wrong with copyright law: "Apple paid $21 million for a clock design."

I believe in the value and importance of design, but the money/value ratio of design IP has gotten out of hand.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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I'm not a massive fan of the most of the responses in this thread.

Any designer would look at Flat UI and immediately realize that they drew inspiration from LayerVault. The similarities aren't minor, in either style, tone, or techniques.

The three icons DesignModo removed were the most obvious offenders. And by obvious, I mean, "Yeah, you completely ripped those".

So DesignModo has absolutely no right, in any sense, to be indignant. They produced unoriginal, lazy, copied work, and got called out on it.

Within this thread, I see lots of idiotic bits such as "LayerVault doesn't own hex codes!", "You can't own a style!", etc etc. These type of comments miss the forest for the trees.

Individually, no, LayerVault has no right to claim ownership of any specific color. But Flat UI's rip is the combination of a rip of all things together, not one thing in specific. Change the color scheme of the illustrations and you'd have less of a case. Change the shadow technique, or the general aesthetic of the icons.

It's the COMBINATION of all of these factors which makes this a "rip".

Now, what DesignModo did may not be illegal, but why is anyone rushing to defend them? In what terrible universe is being an insipid, unoriginal copier something any community champions?

And why would anyone walk away with a negative opinion of LayerVault? Really? You don't think they should be slightly irked that DesignModo ripped off their distinctive style, and is _charging_ people for the chance to use it?

It baffles the mind.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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For the lazy, here's a summary of the claims that LV/DN is making: Some icons appear to be heavily inspired by LV. Here are three icons (circled) from Flat-UI: http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png You can see that the gears and news icons do bear some similarity to LV's versions: http://dribbble.com/shots/800428-LayerVault-icon-set-for-del... and http://imgur.com/rli5IVU (the latter via http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=…

Google and Pantone - http://cl.ly/NO8C

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#216

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There's arguably the talking heads as well: http://dribbble.com/shots/800428-LayerVault-icon-set-for-del... http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png

That talking head / speech bubble concept is generic: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22talking+head%22+bubble&#3... The Noun Project also has a profile speech version, though with curved lines instead of the bubble: http://thenounproject.com/noun/speech/#icon-No1202 Flat UI's version might have been partially inspired by LayerVault, but it's far from identical. In fact, the Flat UI head is very similar to the Noun…

I know that its a bit of a stretch but it wouldn't have surprised me if the head/bubble icon came up during the email conversation that preceded the DMCA being filed though.

Doesn't mean I agree with it, but if you're going to have everything that potentially infringes LV's work you might as well put the stupid ones too. Plus it's now missing which makes it a bit suspicious (though the replacement is far better IMO which would explain the head's absence too)

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#217

Why don't we, as a community, collectively agree to boycott copyright trolls? (and teach them a lesson in the process) esp. when the target audience consists of developers/designers EDIT: I tried to cross-post this on Designer News, but it turns out they're invite-only. Can someone do me the honour?

Why don't we, as a community, put away the pitchforks until hearing from both sides? Looking at the top comment in the thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5332398 ), it seems that DesignModo lifted some of their illustrations straight from the LayerVault site.

Of all the links I have seen posted so far, I have yet to see anything lifted from their site.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#218

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HN posters being reactionary to hot topics like DMCA when all the facts aren't out? Say it ain't so.

Except I've read most of the comments and on the whole they seem a) correct (to my understanding of the DMCA) and b) reasonable and well thought out.

The initial ones were very reactionary about boycotting Layer Vault and so on. The DMCA is super wishy washy, and I can't say whether this is a valid use or not because IANAL.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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post #201

For the lazy, here's a summary of the claims that LV/DN is making: Some icons appear to be heavily inspired by LV. Here are three icons (circled) from Flat-UI: http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png You can see that the gears and news icons do bear some similarity to LV's versions: http://dribbble.com/shots/800428-LayerVault-icon-set-for-del... and http://imgur.com/rli5IVU (the latter via http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=…

That looks pretty much open and shut, as if using a vague DMCA in itself wasn't already enough of a hint.

It's not even a rip-off. The basic pattern for the icons is insanely generic, and the execution is clearly different. The color scheme is a very common one.

It bears a resemblance as much as one black leather shoe bears a resemblance to another black leather shoe. It's not even worth making a passing remark about, let alone going nuclear with a DMCA.

LayerVault are copyright trolls and bullies.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Would you be kind enough to email me a copy. username at gmail

You could just download it by inspecting http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/

That's a 404.

I'd love a copy too, actually. Just the CSS. username @gmail.com as well, if you'd be so kind.

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