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LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

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Really glad I downloaded Flat UI yesterday before this crap started 'coz I'm gonna be using it for a project this weekend. Fortunately I only wanted the CSS. If an illustration was stolen (which seems unlikely, or at least it wasn't done with designmodo's knowledge), that won't affect me since I'm not using any of them.

Would you be kind enough to email me a copy. username at gmail

You could just download it by inspecting http://designmodo.github.com/Flat-UI/

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#152

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

"Eventually, he removed the most blatant icons which (in my eyes) is an admission of guilt."

Sure, couldn't possibly be that he just wanted to do whatever it took to get you to leave him alone.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#153

Filing a counter notification is extremely straightforward, and moves this to a court dispute, which will almost undoubtedly never happen. You can use Chilling Effects Counter-Notification generator to automate the process: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf For those who are unfamiliar with DMCA notices, in short: 1. Content Provider Receives DMCA 2. Content Provider must act 'expeditiously' to remov…

Re #3, the reinstatement must occur no sooner than 10 days from receiving the counternotice. It's not immediate. This gives the other party time to go to court for an injunction before the content goes back online.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#154
post #103

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

A really good way to coerce the pitchforks back into their sheds is to provide proof, especially when your DMCA is vague and posted on a ridiculously public platform. Allan has done neither, and still hasn't done so in his tweets or this post over on his bubbly walled garden. A few simple side-by-side screenshots would have sufficed and put the court of public opinion squarely on his side. He may be completely in the…

Here's the side by side comparison

Noun Project vs Layer Vault vs Flat UI

http://imgur.com/IH1osAD

If anyone notice other similar icons, I can update image with side by side comparison.

*Thanks to fellow HNers for the links to the images. I just stuck it all together side by side.

Edit: Updated with more samples.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#155
post #56
post #3

Am I understanding this right; that LayerVault is trying to claim that they are the sole owners of the flat UI trend? I'm sorry Allan, I've been a fan of yours since before LayerVault was even launched, but this is really low. And if I'm remembering correctly, this isn't the first time you guys have harassed someone about using "your" aesthetic.

It's not about the flat UI trend. If you look at Layervault, their design is really unique and top notch. Flat UI-framework is heavily inspired by Layervault's design. There's no doubt about it. Same roundings, paddings, pastel color scheme, etc. They look visually extremely similar. LayerVault is obviously pissed that a design similar to their unique design will be used by amateur Bootstrappers all over the web.

It's unique and top-notch if you live in the bubble LV seems to think people do; even Google's been using a similar approach for a few years now as they focus more on design. They also got on the defensive recently regarding Pixelapse; a product that essentially does the same thing LV does (but better in a few regards), citing that the concept for a "Github for designers" was "stolen" and using screenshots to compare the two, which were both basically Dropbox's sync/manage drop-down.

Allan says Designmodo was not being cooperative in emails on the issue, and I think that's the point where you take it to a blog post with examples of the case you're trying to make, rather than forcing Github to shut down an entire project that goes outside of just the illustrations in question.

Their approach seems less about actually proving their worth by focusing on their product and ignoring outside "competition", and more about trying to shut down those that they feel are a threat to them. Not sure what exactly that says about them or the confidence they have in their own product, but it's a bad attitude to have towards innovation and inspiration.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really should be more penalties for this.

Apparently, the notices say "under penalty of perjury", but at the very least you should be able to sue abusers civilly. I'm just not sure that is a great recourse for open source. DMCA needs reform on this. There needs to be scale of fines for parties that issue takedowns based upon false copyright claims.

The part that's "under penalty of perjury" is only the statement that you are authorized to act on behalf of a copyright holder, not that your claims are true.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#157

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

"Eventually, he removed the most blatant icons which (in my eyes) is an admission of guilt." Sure, couldn't possibly be that he just wanted to do whatever it took to get you to leave him alone.

Here are the icons in question. http://i.imgur.com/xDDULcG.png

Also, the Flat-UI guy also copied other artists on dribbble. http://cl.ly/image/3Q181w0b1u2K

From http://drbl.in/eXkk, and http://drbl.in/gmsD

I'm not saying these are in copyright violation, merely examples he has copied prior work.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#158

And here's a reply from Allan: https://news.layervault.com/stories/1992-layervault-whats-up... Looks like the pitchforks are out over on HN. It was pretty straightforward. Our reaction was "Cool, a flat UI theme" to "Wait, this looks familiar" to "Wait, are those our illustrations?". I contacted the designmodo people over email, because that's the right way to handle this. The owner was being stubborn at first and re…

"Eventually, he removed the most blatant icons which (in my eyes) is an admission of guilt." Sure, couldn't possibly be that he just wanted to do whatever it took to get you to leave him alone.

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Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#159

Filing a counter notification is extremely straightforward, and moves this to a court dispute, which will almost undoubtedly never happen. You can use Chilling Effects Counter-Notification generator to automate the process: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf For those who are unfamiliar with DMCA notices, in short: 1. Content Provider Receives DMCA 2. Content Provider must act 'expeditiously' to remov…

Re #3, the reinstatement must occur no sooner than 10 days from receiving the counternotice. It's not immediate. This gives the other party time to go to court for an injunction before the content goes back online.

Good catch, updated original post to reflect this.

Re: LayerVault Sends DMCA Takedown Letter re Flat-UI

#160
post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A really good way to coerce the pitchforks back into their sheds is to provide proof, especially when your DMCA is vague and posted on a ridiculously public platform. Allan has done neither, and still hasn't done so in his tweets or this post over on his bubbly walled garden. A few simple side-by-side screenshots would have sufficed and put the court of public opinion squarely on his side. He may be completely in the…

Here's the side by side comparison Noun Project vs Layer Vault vs Flat UI http://imgur.com/IH1osAD If anyone notice other similar icons, I can update image with side by side comparison. *Thanks to fellow HNers for the links to the images. I just stuck it all together side by side. Edit: Updated with more samples.

Wow, that's absolutely not plagiarism. Just generic concepts that have been interpreted similarly.
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