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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

mattmanser wrote: post #178
edanm wrote: post #177

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay the ST developer to make ST open-source. If ST becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with ST, especially those coming from a vim/emacs background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

Here's what I'd love someone to organize: A Kickstarter campaign to raise enough money to pay Microsoft to make Windows open-source. If Windows becomes open-source, that solves one of the biggest issues many people have with Windows, especially those coming from a Linux background. This is something I know I would pay for, and I believe others would as well.

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Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by JonnieCache »

SCdF wrote: post #149

I'm not near a computer at the moment, can any body tell me how the performance is with very large files (>20mb) compared to the previous releases? If there was one thing that disappointed me about ST2 it was that it wasn't very competent with massive log files and the like. ATM I use an ide for Java, ST2 for nearly everything else (other languages, random text) and less / vi / others for logs and other massive files…

I just pushed a ~100mb SQL file into it and it doesn't seem very pleased about it. The progress bar is crawling along, it's probably going to take like 5 minutes or something.

Vim does perfectly fine for the odd occasion I need to do something like that (very large files often mean you're Doing It Wrong™)

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by sanswork »

nnq wrote: post #180
thoughtcriminal wrote: post #165

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

> I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor This only makes sense if: (a) I guess you're not a software developer, so you don't actually "make money" from the productivity increases of a text-editor good for you? or (b) you plan to switch to some other editor that's open-source (emacs? vim?) or (c) you're and IDE guy and rarely use a "simple" text editor. Please mention your use case be…

There is the factor of diminishing returns though once you've already paid for one version. The next one has to be that much better for it to make it worth it. With text editors it's difficult to add enough value in future versions since everything a good one does to help you work should be there from the start(easy navigation in and between files and easy modification of data once you're there) the rest is just fluff.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by johncoltrane »

chewxy wrote: post #29
Stealth- wrote: post #21

Coming from someone who has never used or tried Sublime Text, how does this compare to Vim in general? It's taken quite a while to grow familiar with Vim, is it worth the learning curve to ditch it now and try Sublime? Are the two really that different? A lot of what I'm seeing looks like things that can be done in Vim, but I might be missing something.

In ST2 there is Vintage mode, you can use most VI shortcuts I believe. http://www.sublimetext.com/docs/2/vintage.html

No, you can only use a very small subset of Vi shortcuts and it becomes very tiny if we compare it to Vim.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by sanswork »

pretoriusB wrote: post #110
mikevm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I've seen how GDB works, and debugging this way seems much less productive. You don't see your whole source code, and you don't constantly see the values of watched or local variables, etc... Is there a different debugger you use for this task when developing using only a text editor…

> As someone who only used IDE debuggers all his (short) programming career, I was wondering, how do you debug without a visual debugger? I'd ask the reverse of you. Why do you spend time in a debugger at all? For 99% of the bugs logical thinking and a few printfs work faster and better ran blindly running around setting breakpoints and examining values.

Because printfs and their like have been know to change the running conditions of an application causing or masking bugs.

Once you learn how to use a debugger properly it is infinitely better than printfs.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Geee »

rogerbinns wrote: post #14

My pet peeve with editors is how they handle files changing underneath them. I do this regularly enough (eg I might make a quick change using vi, source control update), there could be ssh or sshfs involved, or another tool might be better for doing whatever it is that I wanted. Emacs has been the only editor that has never lost a change for me. Whenever you try to make a modification it checks the underlying file is…

I think I've also experienced this, but in my case, I was remotely editing via Transmit/SFTP. So, the problem might be in Transmit cache.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by microtonal »

thoughtcriminal wrote: post #165

Version 3 is probably where I get off the ST upgrade train and just settle for version 2/3 beta. I like ST, and it serves my needs well enough, but I already paid $59 for this software and that's enough for a text editor. Paying yet another $30 isn't worth it for me, especially when I didn't ask for these upgrades.

Suppose that you cost $50,000 a year. If a new Sublime Text would only make you 2% more productive, even an upgrade for $100 per year would be peanuts. Start talking to your boss!

If you use Sublime Text privately, I can see your point.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by haakon »

adlpz wrote: post #162
idoco wrote: post #154

JetBrains should buy them and integrate all these wonderful features into Intellij. That might be the most powerful IDE ever made!

God no, please. The attractive of Sublime is that it's not an IDE, but a very fast and powerful text editor with some IDE-like niceties. If JetBrains bought it and integrated it in IntelliJ that would end killing the original project and I'd be forced to go berserk on Prague, big time.

JetBrains has a bazillion different versions of their products for specific uses. There is no reason to believe they wouldn't continue maintaining ST as a separate editor. And assuming they did, it would be pretty great.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Beta

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Post by Shtirlic »

It's all about release cycles: Textmate was to slow, ST is too fast in changing versions. Releasing beta major version after half-year no-updates for the current major version looks silly to me. Price changed to $70, while JetBrains RubyMine IDE is $69 now with much more features. I am sticking to the ST2 with no no intentions for upgrading.
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