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Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by m4rtink »

Arainach wrote: post #200
tecoholic wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to say the question is the wrong way to look at this. People behave differently in different situations. While I am very conflicted like the GP about this specific case. I don’t think it’s as simple as - don’t do anything you won’t do in a human driven cab, and if you do those things, then calling cops should be acceptable.

On the contrary, we have a long history of evidence that when people think they aren't being watched, enough of them will do awful things. This is why public restrooms in the US are vandalized, why there are low effort graffiti tags all over, litter in parks, and more. People believing that something is watching - a human or machine with the autonomy to enact consequences - preserves the commons for the rest of us.

Panopticon to the rescue - seriously ???

People just dont vadalize stuff - there are reasons for that that need to be fixed, not adding even more spying.

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Post by monster_truck »

a4isms wrote: post #165
monster_truck wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to do this and more with nerf guns, laser tag, and then paintball guns. You're not going to believe this but we even used to be able to ride our bikes 30 miles away from home without our parents being arrested. We played with fire in the park too. One time we even found porn there dude The 90s were lit Nah you're right tho let's imagine the worst case scenario. What if that person in the waymo had a nuclear b…

Don't talk to me about the 90s if you weren't soaking a tennis ball in lighter fluid and firing the flaming missile out of a "potato gun" made out of beer cans... in the 70s. Also something about all the kids trying to imitate Evil Knievel and jumping their bikes off ramps made out of planks and milk crates... Without protective gear of any kind. Everyone who got out of that decade alive and with at most minimal brai…

The most I will say about the bullshit we got up to, as "the last chopper out" before literally everyone had CCTV, is that we made it our personal goal to get everything we did listed in the local newspaper's crime blotter

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Post by monster_truck »

nradov wrote: post #96
mplanchard wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the 90s too, and I’m fairly certain that shooting paintball guns out of a taxi would have been generally frowned upon even during that halcyon era.

The kids I grew up with played paintball tag in their own cars, not taxis.

We used to raid the "dumpster" of nearly expired hostess products at the local hostess factory, and no bullshit fill the back of a jeep with twinkies and ho-hos and king dongs, then go drive on two lane roads and throw them out in front of oncoming traffic to try and get them to chase us.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by tqi »

kelnos wrote: post #3

I'm really torn on this. This particular situation, at face value at least, sounds like a good outcome. Kids had a gun, someone noticed, called police, situation handled without escalation or violence or something tragic happening. But this doesn't generalize. Another incident described in the article was when some kids were drinking in the car and shooting toy guns. What if they hadn't been drinking? What if they we…

> What if they were just holding toy guns, innocently going from one kid's house to another? What if Waymo thought the guns were real, called the cops, and the cops screwed up and shot one of the kids?

I'm always confused by how lines are drawn in scenarios like this. if calling cops makes waymo culpable, why not also blame parents buying kids guns? Toy stores selling the guns? Where does the chain of events start?

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Post by f33d5173 »

anon84873628 wrote: post #12
kelnos wrote: post #3

I'm really torn on this. This particular situation, at face value at least, sounds like a good outcome. Kids had a gun, someone noticed, called police, situation handled without escalation or violence or something tragic happening. But this doesn't generalize. Another incident described in the article was when some kids were drinking in the car and shooting toy guns. What if they hadn't been drinking? What if they we…

Would you do any of those things in a regular taxi or subway car? Imagine the alternative headline saying the murderers used Waymo for their drive-by assassination. There is only one option for Waymo here, and the idiocy of the US police is not within their power to solve.

So murderers put their guns in a bag and get away with it, normal people who have "nothing to hide" leave their guns out in the open and get the police called on them.

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Post by maxglute »

epsteingpt wrote: post #7

Shocking this isn't bigger news. It will be strange what they get you for. Maybe car ownership isn't doomed after all. At least a human usually has some judgment and discretion situationally. I guess the alternative "Juvenile Driveby Shooting takes place from Waymo" isn't a better headline though.

>Maybe car ownership isn't doomed after all

I think if anything waymo, robot taxi is doomed. Self driving ever matures to private car ownership will to car share to subsidize costs will with 1-10% utilization will basically generate more demand than non car owners will ever need - there simply isn't business model for share only fleet outside of specific low vehicle density zones. And even for private car owners, the only ones who will generate some revenue are those that work offpeak hours, i.e. they can rent their cars during surge, which will make congestion worse for all existing drivers by increasing traffic (kek). Proliferation of self driving = eventually millions of beater supply cars doing rotations for basically marginal costs killing fleet economics.

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Post by UltraSane »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #209
UltraSane wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does Waymo benefit society enough to carry the tradeoffs? It absolutely does 1000x. You can also just not use it.

They snap me crossing the street almost daily, nothing I can do about since sometimes they take me by surprise.

What?

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by Arainach »

m4rtink wrote: post #211
Arainach wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, we have a long history of evidence that when people think they aren't being watched, enough of them will do awful things. This is why public restrooms in the US are vandalized, why there are low effort graffiti tags all over, litter in parks, and more. People believing that something is watching - a human or machine with the autonomy to enact consequences - preserves the commons for the rest of us.

Panopticon to the rescue - seriously ??? People just dont vadalize stuff - there are reasons for that that need to be fixed, not adding even more spying.

Among the reasons are that kids (and some adults) are idiots. That's it, it's not income inequality or rage at the system, some people just break things because they think it's funny. That's not something you can fix, so you have to guard against it in other ways.

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Post by gusgus01 »

Arainach wrote: post #200
tecoholic wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to say the question is the wrong way to look at this. People behave differently in different situations. While I am very conflicted like the GP about this specific case. I don’t think it’s as simple as - don’t do anything you won’t do in a human driven cab, and if you do those things, then calling cops should be acceptable.

On the contrary, we have a long history of evidence that when people think they aren't being watched, enough of them will do awful things. This is why public restrooms in the US are vandalized, why there are low effort graffiti tags all over, litter in parks, and more. People believing that something is watching - a human or machine with the autonomy to enact consequences - preserves the commons for the rest of us.

As much as I disagree with it, graffiti is an interesting topic. A lot of graffiti proponents fully believe that they are beautifying the environment by making it human, and even continue doing it as the level of effort to bypass the consequences go up. They don't believe it to be an awful thing (though I'm sure some do, plus some have other motivations, plus some are lying to themselves about their motivations, etc, I just mean what they say and do).
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