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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Maybe we should reframe how we see the big gate keepers like Google and Apple as they seem to be a new concept. They are not governments but have properties of them. Governments are defined as having a monopoly on violence. And we, through a lot of struggles, were able to attenuate this power such that this power was not granted to a single person alone but both distributed to the judgement of many and codified so th…

We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

You can thank Citizens United for that.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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We should break these companies apart - they should not have that level of power.

A politically impossible outcome that isn't worth hanging our hopes on. A more realistic approach is legislation that either forbids providers from suspending or otherwise limiting access to any government integrated system or simply forbidding these types of integrations altogether.

> A politically impossible outcome that isn't worth hanging our hopes on.

> A more realistic approach is legislation that either forbids providers from suspending or otherwise limiting access to any government integrated system or simply forbidding these types of integrations altogether.

There's more history in the US of successful legislation aimed at breaking up big companies than at that sort of specific narrow technically-aware well-executed regulation.

The former is blunt force. It's relatively easy to target and make effective. It just needs enough ground-level support to get enough people from both parties on board - and we're seeing some shifts that way in the current Republican mishmash of groups.

The latter needs excellent technical knowledge and resistance to super-sophisticated lobbying and loophole-creation. It's very hard to get right.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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My mom’s Gmail account got banned for no reason whatsoever last week. Since then they removed her recovery number and 2FA as they ‘looked suspicious’. Access to nearly 20 years of emails, photos and docs gone in an instant. It’s been particularly painful because she used Google to log in to everything too, including for health records that she needs. There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it and apparen…

I hope this page can provide some guidance in the appeal process https://transparency.google/intl/en-GB_in/tools-programs/rep... If not directly through what is offered there, under the DSA (eu citizens and residents) have further ways to appeal their decision, and also Google takeout should be a last option even for banned accounts. If you have any luck post a followup on HN to guide other users having a similar iss…

Or you can not waste your time and hire an attorney to send them a polite letter saying "put the account back or get sued."

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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i was using antigravity pretty heavily for a while in the spring, it seemed to be a good value for my usage. then i got banned out of the blue for "suspected" ToS violations, with a notification that heavily hinted it was because of openclaw.

i've never used openclaw, never tried to use my google ai subscription anywhere other than the antigravity app. but apparently just "our ai mistakenly suspects you might be using openclaw" is enough to get your google account temporarily suspended. not worth the risk for me, i need a google account more than i need antigravity.

and the ban would be bad enough, but the communication was nonexistent. just a sign-in error on the antigravity app, then a day later it updated to show a vauge warning about openclaw with a link to a random google form to submit an appeal, and then a couple days later my account magically started working again.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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> The wording is confusing but the account in question is the Antigravity account. We will change the ToS wording here to make that clearer. - Varun Mohan on the antigravity team https://x.com/_mohansolo/status/2095529407033000260

Because the wording is the problem not the way how they suspect third party use

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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> with your entire online identity Seems like one account for idendity (gmail and personal gemini assistant) and another for everything else would be a best practice.

Google can and will block any linked accounts as well. For some reason I'm not allowed on AdWords. I have tried making new accounts and they always block my ads. I don't know how they figure it out that it's me. Other people on the same wifi have no issues running same ads (for same YouTube videos).

Did you use Chrome?

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

No one has actually had their account banned for this, Google just disables their Antigravity access due to breaking TOS. People just repeat the line that “Google bans accounts” because it’s a bigger headline draw.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Centralization of power at all levels is bad. I therefore agree in spirit. But who is the 'we' in that 'we'? If you defer to a politician, you simply centralize more power into a body of government constrained by only cultural norms and donor interests. Making a change requires the shifting of the overtone window of acceptability. At that point, it executes on it own regardless of mechanism. The cultural norms are th…

> Centralization of power at all levels is bad. I assume that by this you mean something more nuanced than "we should abolish the FAA and let the airplanes crash until private enterprise solves it." Or maybe "Let drug dealers (pharmaceutical companies) sell whatever the free market will bear without testing, safety, or the ability to hold them responsible." I only ask, because there are some people who unironically t…

> I assume that by this you mean something more nuanced than "we should abolish the FAA and let the airplanes crash until private enterprise solves it."

Strawman fallacy: It is in the interests of private enterprise to not have their $100-million+ airplanes crash, because it means $100-million+ going up in smoke. The owners of those planes would therefore have an interest in not having them crash.

> Or maybe "Let drug dealers (pharmaceutical companies) sell whatever the free market will bear without testing, safety, or the ability to hold them responsible."

Under this scenario, if the public finds out that a drug is harmful/lethal, the public jerks away from that drug towards solutions that have a reputation of working.

Is the resulting rate of fatality/worse-QOL lower than (a central authority filtering out drugs & holding them to standards)? No, definitely not. But the gap between the two is not infinite, and in most cases falls into an order of magnitude of difference.

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> I only ask, because there are some people who unironically think that we'd be more safe going back to the time before OSHA, or medical licensing, and some of them hang out here.

An axiom of (feeble-mindedness in the average person) is proposed here. People are as good/competent as the standards that they are held to.

> medical licensing

There's a difference between a certification of competency, and a deliberate constriction of the supply of medical residencies.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5550556-residency-cap...

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