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Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by stronglikedan »

bryan0 wrote: post #107
simonsarris wrote: post #87

> The wording is confusing but the account in question is the Antigravity account. We will change the ToS wording here to make that clearer. - Varun Mohan on the antigravity team https://x.com/_mohansolo/status/2095529407033000260

There is no world in which it makes sense to take this risk. There are plenty of great alternatives where you don't have to worry about playing russian roulette with your entire online identity.

> with your entire online identity

Seems like one account for idendity (gmail and personal gemini assistant) and another for everything else would be a best practice.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by earth-tattoo »

stronglikedan wrote: post #111
bryan0 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no world in which it makes sense to take this risk. There are plenty of great alternatives where you don't have to worry about playing russian roulette with your entire online identity.

> with your entire online identity Seems like one account for idendity (gmail and personal gemini assistant) and another for everything else would be a best practice.

Google can and will block any linked accounts as well. For some reason I'm not allowed on AdWords. I have tried making new accounts and they always block my ads. I don't know how they figure it out that it's me. Other people on the same wifi have no issues running same ads (for same YouTube videos).

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by bingbong4748 »

Havoc wrote: post #30

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

My mom’s Gmail account got banned for no reason whatsoever last week. Since then they removed her recovery number and 2FA as they ‘looked suspicious’.

Access to nearly 20 years of emails, photos and docs gone in an instant.

It’s been particularly painful because she used Google to log in to everything too, including for health records that she needs.

There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it and apparently nothing that can be done anyway. It’s absolutely devastating. They’re still charging her for Google One and she can’t even manage the subscription because she can’t log in.

I urge anyone reading this to do a Google Takeout request and make a local backup of all the data they hold.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by serf »

pram wrote: post #41

This is exactly why I haven't used any of Google's AI stuff. Unlike other providers, I'm risking my email and internet service (GFiber!) to some capricious ban-happy whim you probably can't even appeal.

>whim you probably can't even appeal.

not to beat a dead horse in this thread , but that should give the motivation needed to seek alternatives.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by verisimi »

nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

We already live in fascism - governments and corporations are just wings of the same bird.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by serf »

blfr wrote: post #88

This would have been a massive issue if Antigravity/Gemini were any good. I don't appreciate but kinda understand that Anthropic can act arrogant with Fable. Google (shockingly) is really in no position for this.

Gemini is great (and fast) at vision tasks. It's a huge benefit to add on to an existing pi/omp harness install just for that feature to use in conjunction with other (stronger) models.

Too bad this anti 3rd party usage stance basically makes that a huge risk for a lot of people, it was the only thing Gemini has been competitive in outside of API cost.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by verdverm »

moshegramovsky wrote: post #104
blfr wrote: post #88

This would have been a massive issue if Antigravity/Gemini were any good. I don't appreciate but kinda understand that Anthropic can act arrogant with Fable. Google (shockingly) is really in no position for this.

100% this. I was a huge Gemini fan, and I think the model itself is still very good. But Antigravity is absolutely horrible. It routinely writes broken code and then ends up in a short term cycle of reverting and re-implementing. It's so bad that I don't use it for writing code and certainly wouldn't even bother trying to get it to refactor anything. It's been relegated it to analysis and planning. It is excellent th…

or that the company that invented transformers is fumbling this so badly

many of their best people left during the SaaS boom cycle in the 20'oughts, current leadership is abysmal

there is also that well known promotion incentive misalignment at big g

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by dahdum »

simonsarris wrote: post #87

> The wording is confusing but the account in question is the Antigravity account. We will change the ToS wording here to make that clearer. - Varun Mohan on the antigravity team https://x.com/_mohansolo/status/2095529407033000260

I just cancelled my AI Ultra subscription, despite what he claims the risk is too high and I’ll never put my trust in a Google ban reconsideration.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

RedShift1 wrote: post #91
giancarlostoro wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.

Gov. logins and services should never depend on companies like Google.

This is the solution. Implementing auth isn't that difficult.
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