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Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by ornornor »

ssl-3 wrote: post #118

It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. When this code begins with TF (like, say, the TFRB182A11B I had on a bag in my fridge last month), it's a Taylor Farms product. They control a huge percentage of this market. Their products can be hard to avoid, and are sold under a wide variety of different…

It boggles my mind that people would buy salads in bags. Instead of just a head of lettuce like the rest of the world.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by WarmWash »

slopinthebag wrote: post #162
WarmWash wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a dumb conversation because the landscape of the discussion is one where the costs increase exponentially as the disability being serviced becomes more rare, and there isn't an objectively correct answer.

Maybe, but going by that 5% of the population have severe food allergies and only ~1% use wheelchairs, so if we accept wheelchair ramps etc. as being a worthwhile investment (which I do) then proper labeling and disclosure of allergens seems reasonable as well?

The labeling and disclosure is pretty much solved. The killer and the cost monster is the handling. That's why you see that "Processed in a facility that also processes XYZ" label on some foods.

I had an old coworker with a severe milk protein allergy. So bad that he would get a reaction if he (lip) kissed his wife after she drank milk or had ice cream. So eating out was basically impossible, because his food would pretty much need to be made in a totally separate kitchen to avoid any contamination risk.

So we are right back at my point. Do we force every restaurant to have a secondary allergen free kitchen so my coworker can eat there? Or does my coworker just deal with it and stick to vegan places (like he did)?

If your point is that cost doesn't perfectly match frequency, sure, it was off the cuff, but it doesn't change the underlying nature of "accommodating everyone".

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by saghm »

ssl-3 wrote: post #103
saghm wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we can't figure out a way as a society to honestly tell people what food is being sold in restaurants, maybe we shouldn't be starting new restaurants until we figure that out.

Knowing the sources of the food we eat is a very popular thing right now. Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell? All of the consumers who are motivated by this information will then be free to reward these eateries with their business. After that: Other restaurateurs will surely notice how unspeakably profitable these loyal c…

> Isn't the capitalist way to help with this to build new restaurants that do openly provide the lineage for the food that they sell?

Some people think that certain things that are not profitable are still worthwhile to society. For example, libraries and fire departments are not designed to be profitable at all, but they're established because at least some of us think they're beneficial to have despite that. A more fitting example might be the regulation on food production introduced early on in the 20th century; by your logic, a more capitalist way of solving the problem would have been to start different food companies that produced food in the way that the regulations required. I don't have any confidence that this would have ended up making much of a difference though, and I think the century since then has shown that the economy didn't fall over because of the lost profits from the regulation.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by jrflowers »

antonymoose wrote: post #203
Balinares wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man shoots himself in the foot then turns up limping, it's probably not that his shoes are too tight.

[flagged]

> The alleged team involved had nothing to do with prevention - Go back to Reddit :)

“Alleged team” lol

You know what the team was doing but you’re not sure that it existed

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by ssl-3 »

jancsika wrote: post #173
ssl-3 wrote: post #118

It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. When this code begins with TF (like, say, the TFRB182A11B I had on a bag in my fridge last month), it's a Taylor Farms product. They control a huge percentage of this market. Their products can be hard to avoid, and are sold under a wide variety of different…

> It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. This reads like C strings having not only a null terminator but carrying around a lifetime value specified in microseconds, and memory safety errors leading to weeks of explosive diarrhea. How important is iceberg to your diet that you needed to create thi…

Serious question: Have you ever really looked at the packaging of the food products that you buy at the store?

Including some manner of descriptive coding isn't necessarily universal, but it has nonetheless been a normal way of doing things for a very long time.

It's similar to email headers or ip:port pairs in that it's hidden in plain sight. It's also similar in that most folks just don't notice them, and wouldn't care if they did notice them.

For instance: Plain old soda cans, which my dad made countless billions of during his career. There was a time when a person could show him a random 12oz soda can and there was a very strong chance that he'd be able to identify its origin by looking at it.

And I don't mean just the company that produced it, or the specific manufacturing plant within that company.

He could deduce the date of production, the line on which it was produced, the bodymaker within that line that did the metal stamping, whether it was made during the day or night shift, and (with a calendar) which crew was working during that particular shift.

And that's just the can itself.

The origin of the contents of the can are also generally available for anyone with the right knowledge to observe, usually with videojet printing on the can's dome. He wasn't in the can-filling business so he wasn't much help with those codes, but they were present.

But again, on any normal day: No normal person ever even notices the presence of this information.

Taylor Farms isn't an outlier here with their labelling at all.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by TylerE »

TylerE wrote: post #5
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #2

I have not been following this very closely but it seems like the source of this cyclospora contamination has been very challenging to identify. Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms. Isn't it reasonable to update the official statement as new information emerges? "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” -John Maynard Keynes.

What changed is that right after the CEO visited the White House, a retraction was issued. This White House does not have a history of being factual, but does have a history of doing "favors" for big donors, which Taylor Farms is.

Seems the usual HN MAGA types can't handle the truth. Keep downvoting me. Only shows how pathetic you are. Everything I state is easily verifiable from respectable public sources.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by ssl-3 »

ornornor wrote: post #211
ssl-3 wrote: post #118

It's worth noting that Taylor Farms consumer bagged salads are consistently marked, in the form of an alphanumeric code printed on the bag near the sell-by date. When this code begins with TF (like, say, the TFRB182A11B I had on a bag in my fridge last month), it's a Taylor Farms product. They control a huge percentage of this market. Their products can be hard to avoid, and are sold under a wide variety of different…

It boggles my mind that people would buy salads in bags. Instead of just a head of lettuce like the rest of the world.

It boggles my mind that people think that salad contains only lettuce. My world is much more flavorful than that.

I like my salad with a mixture of leafy greens, maybe with some radicchio or red cabbage for contrast, and perhaps some snow peas, radishes, and shredded carrots. I can keep all of that stuff around at the house and keep it fresh and prep it all, and that sounds very nice in theory -- except, most of it will probably rot before it gets consumed.

Or I can just buy a bag of salad and eat some of it at my whim.

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I'm further astounded that people bother with complaining about someone else's choice of food. It's not like I broke into your wallet and used your money to buy bagged salad that I then replaced the contents of your fridge with.

Bagged salad isn't your issue; it isn't an issue at all.

What motivates you to make fun of me in this way, fellow HN user?

> like the rest of the world.

Are the motivations political? It's just a salad.

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by Arodex »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #188
vel0city wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Using forced prison labor is using slave labor.

Are the prisoners given no choice? I’m okay with it either way - as long as prison time isn’t unjust.

AMENDMENT XIII

Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Slavery still exists in the USA. This isn't the same as job programs for reinsertion like in other countries - this is openly described as slavery.

And if you doubt it, see these:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/inmates-at-louisianas-an...

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/06/22/prison-slavery...

Re: Taylor Farms has rewritten its cyclospora statement four times in sixteen days

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Post by npilk »

Wistar wrote: post #11
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #2

I have not been following this very closely but it seems like the source of this cyclospora contamination has been very challenging to identify. Especially because it takes weeks before the infected start showing symptoms. Isn't it reasonable to update the official statement as new information emerges? "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” -John Maynard Keynes.

I have gone down that quote’s rabbit hole before and it looks a lot more apocryphal than Maynard. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/07/22/keynes-change-mind/

Huh. I used to think that was a Keynes quote but now I've changed my mind.
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