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Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by matheusmoreira »

fishgoesblub wrote: post #2

Let this be a reminder to never trust any service be it one ran by a billion dollar company, to one ran by volunteers. You will be eventually screwed over. Make backup plans, and self-host whatever you can so nothing can be taken from you. For Git forges, I personally recommend Gitea[1], or Forgejo[2] (a Gitea fork by Codeberg) [1]: https://about.gitea.com/ [2]: https://forgejo.org/

Yeah. Buying my own domain and migrating my email to it is one of the best things I've ever done. Setting up wireguard into my LAN permanently changed the way I used computers. Looks like it's time to get myself a VPS and just start hosting even more stuff.

Sovereign personal infrastructure is amazing. Highly recommended. Dealing with the government's rules and their politics is obnoxious enough. I'm starting to really lose patience with all of these communities.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by overfeed »

altmanaltman wrote: post #175
pretendgeneer wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're misunderstanding "codeberg is political". Everything is political, FOSS is political, GitHub is also political. When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics.

No I understand that. But the point I am making is saying that is much stronger than saying "our policy says we won't host crypto projects going forward". The latter is fine, any service provider can set terms as they fit within the law. But if you claim you are highly political, you must invite further questions into it. How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influences? If we…

> How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influence

They don't have to.

> Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive.

D.E.I. is out right now. Fortunately, Codeberg helpfully funds Forgejo, so all the non-eligible projects can benefit from self-hosting.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by echelon »

conartist6 wrote: post #137
jdormit wrote: post #107

Wow. I have never worked on any cryptocurrency projects and never intend to, but I will certainly be staying very far away from Codeberg because of this. There are some levels of censorship that make sense for a code forge - “you can’t do crimes on our servers”, “you can’t host malware on our servers”, etc. But inflicting a subjective moral judgement on an entire category of software sends the message that this isn’t…

They banned cypto projects two weeks ago. Today they banned vibecoded projects. https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...

They obviously care more about social performance than code.

They just tanked my interest in ever checking them out.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by rvz »

p-e-w wrote: post #196
kurante wrote: post #133

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I strongly disagree: I think this is a perfectly acceptable action. No project is entitled to host their project there, nor is any project compelled to do so, so I don't see why there is any harm in having this instance of Forgejo moderate itself as it sees fit. They have no moral requirement to support all kinds of software. If you disagree with their beliefs, you are free to host your own instance or find a code fo…

> If you disagree with their beliefs, you are free to host your own instance or find a code forge that better aligns with your beliefs. Sure, but Codeberg has presented itself as a hoster for Free Software projects, not for Free Software projects that align with some vaguely defined ideology. If they are now the latter, they should start by clearly stating that ideology so users can make an informed decision on wheth…

> If they are now the latter, they should start by clearly stating that ideology so users can make an informed decision on whether Codeberg is the right place for them.

So far it is now (unofficially) The hoster of Human-made™ non-crypto™ Free Software so far it is fully legal under the jurisdiction or country it resides in (Germany).

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by lmz »

masafej536 wrote: post #191
alloyed wrote: post #116

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iirc, it's a consumer co-op. So think of it as a vote of all users willing to pay for the membership to the service, who (correspondingly) are more likely to be power users/"activist" in the "activist investor" sense. This can be contrasted with a private company, which will often have a "activist investor", the actual owner!

this is a failure mode of consumer co-op that never occured to me. I thought the idea was bullet proof.

How is this a failure mode? Sounds like a good idea to me to let the members decide who they want in the club. Just wish this could also be done for national borders.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tbrownaw »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #208
tbrownaw wrote: post #198

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No, there's a big difference between "net effects are not guaranteed to be perfectly neutral" and "I am going to intentionally put my thumb on the scale". The position that everything is political so therefore opinions are mandatory intentionally conflates these things.

You’re the one who seems to be conflating things - everything is political =/= opinions are mandatory.

The comment I was replying to said

> When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics.

That assertion is incorrect. Said incorrect assertion is derived from the conflation I called out.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by matheusmoreira »

conartist6 wrote: post #201
matheusmoreira wrote: post #192

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> On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. No doubt. Just look at Lobsters. A quality filter would have been more effective.

You have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.

Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by matheusmoreira »

kurante wrote: post #194
matheusmoreira wrote: post #167

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> No project is entitled to host their project there So tiresome. This is going to lead to an even more fragmented free and open source ecosystem. GitHub is the default choice because it has huge network effects. Codeberg just opted out of those.

Did they, though? Do we have numbers on how many cryptocurrency projects were removed from Codeberg because of this, since GitHub is the default choice? Or are you suggesting that there is going to be a significant split because of this? I agree that this is probably going to cause some fragmentation, but I'm not convinced that it will do so in a meaningful matter or at the scale at which it is problematic to the fre…

> Or are you suggesting that there is going to be a significant split because of this?

There are going to be many splits. Cryptocurrencies. Vibecoding. Whatever else offends them.

Whether it will be "significant" or not, remains to be seen. I won't be sticking around to witness it.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by conartist6 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #218
conartist6 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.

Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?

I don't disagree, but it is not within my power to do anything to change that. There exists no person who could call off the backlash to the AI movement
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