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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by dabluecaboose »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #138
logicchains wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> That's why school shootings pretty much never happened before the 1970s School shootings didn't happen for multiple reasons that are not SSRIs: - Semi-automatic and automatic weapons weren't available to the public - There were no video games and few movies glorifying a lone gunman "getting revenge" on a society that spurned them (there movies about gangsters, or war movies) - There was no anti-American/facist "mil…

> - Semi-automatic and automatic weapons weren't available to the public

They were fully available to the public. Automatic weapons were tax-gated, but still were (and are!) available, after 1934. Semi-automatic weapons have been freely available to any citizen pretty much since they were invented (circa 1893).

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

DivingForGold wrote: post #152
mindslight wrote: post #128

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While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from…

If the homeowners had a shotgun it would have been over quickly. Shotguns don't miss.

Bullshit. Shotguns are not designed to have a wide pattern close up. They're designed to have a wide pattern out at 40 yards or so.

Sawed off shotguns have a wider pattern closer, but it's wildly random and impossible to aim with any real effectiveness.

I have both. I shoot trap. My gun on my bedside is a p226 with a flashlight that has a strobe option.

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Post by disillusioned »

morkalork wrote: post #197
newsclues wrote: post #155

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Canada had a school shooter that used ai tools and the public has not been informed of what happened in the chat

It's OK tho, Sam personally apologized for that oopsie.

The specific breadth of that oopsie, to recall, was that multiple human reviewers recommended escalation to law enforcement, and were rebuffed. So the system _almost_ worked except for an unforced error and people died as a direct result. Oopsie, indeed.

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Post by disillusioned »

deadbabe wrote: post #181
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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Hard to put an economic damage value on the psychological scarring of everyone in the country sending their kid to school with this in the back of their minds, to say nothing of security theater put in place in an attempt to assuage those concerns. But, sure. Crowdstrike oopsie wiped out a lot more market cap, so I guess that's the priority.

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Post by nxm »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

Previous administration was same way… intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

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Post by drivingmenuts »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

> The reason is pretty obvious

I would argue the simple reason is that Amazon wanted to fsck Anthropic to set them back, despite whatever partnership they may claim. The competition at that level is intense and these guys do not play by the same rules that regular people do. They can't flat out murder each other (yet) so they find other ways to do it.

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Post by gordonhart »

fny wrote: post #185
eranation wrote: post #146

Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.

Amazon is thought to own 15-20% of Anthropic which as a company has a valuation of>$1T. Amazon’s stake is probably closer to $200B

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Post by optimalsolver »

fny wrote: post #185
eranation wrote: post #146

Just to put things in the right perspective to those who are not aware, Amazon heavily invests in Anthropic [0] and AWS is a partner on project Glasswing (Select companies that used Mythos to find critical vulnerabilities in major open source and critical infrastructure) [1] So I don't think there is anything sinister here, I would use Hanlon's razor [2] here... [0] https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-amazon-com…

To give you further perspective, Amazon has a $50B stake in OpenAI and a $5B stake in Anthropic. If things were flipped, I highly doubt Amazon would be running straight to the feds.

No, $5B is the amount they put into Anthropic earlier this year, but that's in addition to $8B already invested.

Also, $50B is not Amazon's current stake in OpenAI, it's what they've agreed to invest.

By that measure, Amazon's stake in Anthropic is in the tens of billions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/20/amazon-invest-up-to-25-billi...

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Post by megabless123 »

nxm wrote: post #215
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

Previous administration was same way… intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

> intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

this comparison is orders of magnitude different

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